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Ex CIA Analyst: Clinton quite effective at discrediting herself, doesn't need
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:09 am
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:09 am
Putin's help: LINK
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The main goal of the whole “Russian hacking” US election narrative is a propaganda stunt aimed discrediting Trump by claiming that Russia’s Vladimir Putin personally intervened to discredit Hillary Clinton, retired CIA analyst has told RT.
“It’s designed to smear Trump. Because even the language that developed the notion that Vladimir Putin took it upon himself and instructed the intelligence organs in Russia to go out and discredit Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton didn’t need any help being discredited, she was quite effective at it herself,” Larry Johnson said.
"It was not Vladimir Putin that put the email server in her bathroom,” Johnson added.
“It was not Vladimir Putin who told Hillary Clinton to use a private email account and conduct US-government business over that account and to share classified information. And her repeated lying about it. The fact that you would just focus a story on it somehow makes you an agent of Vladimir Putin. This thing is so ridiculous. It’s amusing we have talk about, but it’s so serious because it shows just the level that the intelligence community in the United States has fallen to. They are playing and interfering in domestic policies,” he said.
The report lacks any factual evidence, because the intelligence services apparently don’t have any, Larry Johnson believes. “I don’t think they’re hiding anything because they don’t have anything. These are ‘or and how’ intelligence estimates as opposed to an intelligence analysis based on fact. There’s no fact underlying this. There are analytical assumptions,” Johnson said.
“You can tell that because whenever they use the language like ‘we assess that’ or ‘we believe that’ or ‘it’s likely that.’ That means they don’t know, because if you knew, you could say … in public ‘according to multiple sources we know that.’ You state facts,” he explained.
“This thing it’s a joke. If I’m a Russian intelligence analyst, with one of your intelligence services, I would be suspicious and think ‘What are the Americans up to? They really can’t be this stupid.’ And let me just reassure the folks on your side of the ledger – yeah, they actually are,” he added.
When the intelligence community raises such assumptions, it should be really confident and unanimous about them. It was, however, only somewhat coordinated within three of the agencies, namely FBI, CIA and NSA, according to Johnson.
“It was only CIA and FBI that ‘strongly agree’ but the NSA, who’s the only one in that group that would actually have the physical evidence of the hacking, if that existed… took a middle of the road position,” Johnson told RT.
The whole situation around the “hacking” report gives an impression of a well-staged spectacle, Johnson believes.
“Yesterday, the Arms Services Committee in the Senate holds a hearing alleging Russian hacking, about when hacks took place domestically in the United States and that Arms Services has no jurisdiction over intel side. That was entirely a propaganda ploy, and not a single journalist in the major outlets over here raised questions about that, it was an observed performance,” Johnson said.
The attack on Russian media and RT specifically, undertaken in the report despite its theme supposedly being the “hacking,” is quite understandable, according to Johnson, and emanates from hostility toward actually objective news coverage and jealousy towards RT being capable of such journalism.
“Because you’re actually a more objective news channel than Fox, CNN, MSNBC, the main stream media here in this country. I say that sincerely. I was a Fox New analyst, I’ve been on ABC, CBS, NBC, all of the cable channels … and I discovered that the kind of bias and propaganda they’ re accusing RT of engaging in is in fact what they themselves are doing.“
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:16 am to Contra
This is exactly what I've been saying all along.
She's the worst political candidate in US history and that's using only her record as the gauge.
She's the worst political candidate in US history and that's using only her record as the gauge.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:25 am to Contra
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Ex CIA Analyst: Not effective at discrediting Clinton; needs Putin's help to get published on RT.com
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:31 am to Contra
Funny but sad too is the fact that during the campaign, it came out that those in the intelligence field who were out there putting their lives at risk claimed that what they were reporting to their superiors was not what was being told to the POTUS. Point being, it was the heads of the various intelligence agencies who were distorting the truth for what can only be assumed for political reasons. Which is exactly what Trump has been saying.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:40 am to Keltic Tiger
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Funny but sad too is the fact that during the campaign, it came out that those in the intelligence field who were out there putting their lives at risk claimed that what they were reporting to their superiors was not what was being told to the POTUS. Point being, it was the heads of the various intelligence agencies who were distorting the truth for what can only be assumed for political reasons. Which is exactly what Trump has been saying.
Good point that is not exactly on point with the OP, but, it does support the notion that the US Intell Community has become too politicized. They were telling Obama what Obama wanted to hear.
Another point I'd like to highlight is that every analytical document is supposed to discuss dissenting views, rather then present itself as the only version of reality. This particular document, the de-classified report, contains no discussion whatsoever of any alternate or dissenting view. It presented itself as the only possible version of reality. I would argue that the document is flawed on its face.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:41 am to Champagne
inb4 Clintonites posting: RT? Lulz!
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:48 am to Contra
The hearings are all theatre. It's fricking hilarious and the clowns on the left eat it up. It's embarrassing how ignorant people are.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:11 am to Doc Fenton
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Ex CIA Analyst: Not effective at discrediting Clinton; needs Putin's help to get published on RT.com
US media so corrupt they will not air dissent from their narrative
fixed it for you
Posted on 1/7/17 at 1:45 pm to gthog61
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US media so corrupt they will not air dissent from their narrative
Do you seriously not understand how much what you just wrote supports my view? Good God, man.
I would have never believed 10 years ago that this board would be filled with such servile, weak-minded groupthink. It's like waking up one year to find myself surrounded by brainwashed zombies who are easily duped by populist appeals to authoritarian leadership.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 1:48 pm to bamarep
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She's the worst political candidate in US history and that's using only her record as the gauge.
Yes, but she's the greatest orator in World History and that's using her 'per speech' income as the gauge.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 1:52 pm to Contra
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That was entirely a propaganda ploy, and not a single journalist in the major outlets over here raised questions about that
Because they're paid actors, puppets and imbeciles. Journalism has been dead for decades. Nobody questions anything because they are part of the problem.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:21 pm to Contra
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retired CIA analyst has told RT.
Listen, I think 90% of the "Russian Hackers" stuff is utter nonsense, but I don't trust Russia Today to be objective, either.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:23 pm to Contra
RT as a source, huh. This board has just gone full on with the Russian propaganda. We live in interesting times.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:27 pm to Doc Fenton
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It's like waking up one year to find myself surrounded by brainwashed zombies who are easily duped by populist appeals to authoritarian leadership.
To be fair, the current path of the country leads right into a one government world. Populism is the push back at the moment, lest we end up like Germany. You can't fault people for attempting to try and stem the tide, even if in vain. The proven system rigging only accelerated the push back.
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