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re: Duncan dies of Ebola
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:11 am to Homesick Tiger
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:11 am to Homesick Tiger
Entire situation is indefensible:
-Allowed visa entry into US to begin with - and it's hard to trust reporting that no infection was possible on cross-Atlantic flight and subsequent transit.
-Not properly screened at first hospital entry; allowed back into community when infection was certainly probable.
-Whose to say infection was not or could not spread upon final admittance to hospital (see Spain)?
And now we've sent thousands of US troops into the west African region to assist. I would not wish it upon them but isn't the likelihood of some of those folks becoming infected increased?
I generally disregard alarmists but it looks/feels like the US response is destined for FUBAR.
-Allowed visa entry into US to begin with - and it's hard to trust reporting that no infection was possible on cross-Atlantic flight and subsequent transit.
-Not properly screened at first hospital entry; allowed back into community when infection was certainly probable.
-Whose to say infection was not or could not spread upon final admittance to hospital (see Spain)?
And now we've sent thousands of US troops into the west African region to assist. I would not wish it upon them but isn't the likelihood of some of those folks becoming infected increased?
I generally disregard alarmists but it looks/feels like the US response is destined for FUBAR.
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Pretty reliable source says he did not realize he'd been exposed. His travel arrangements were made in advance. Diagnosis of the 19y/o he'd helped in Liberia was confused. If Ebola was included in the differential, that information was effectively not passed on to those assisting her. Other causes were attributed. Jibes with informed press accounts.
i don't want to say anything negative about a dead man, but what he did was pure evil
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:11 am to moneyg
quote:So, he knew he was already infected with Ebola at the time?
No, he said, "I don't give a frick if I spread it all over the place as long as I give myself a better chance of living."
quote:Again, I disagree.
That's evil.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:12 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Well, if this is true, is he still evil?
Pretty reliable source says he did not realize he'd been exposed. His travel arrangements were made in advance. Diagnosis of the 19y/o he'd helped in Liberia was confused. If Ebola was included in the differential, that information was effectively not passed on to those assisting her. Other causes were attributed. Jibes with informed press accounts.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
i don't want to say anything negative about a dead man, but what he did was pure evil
Jake - I have to disagree here - I get your point about selfish acts being the root of evil, without evil intention.
However, this smacks more of desperation. Heck, he might have been cautious. Maybe he suspected he was infected, but wasn't showing the signs yet - he looked alright in that airport photo. Heck, if it was me, I'd want to be treated in the U.S.
This is a major outbreak - treatment in Liberia (or, even Nigeria, for that matter) under ideal circumstances would be a dicey proposition - with the system stressed by the current outbreak? Forget it. You won't even die comfortably. A bullet to the head would be the best treatment option at that point.
Staying in Liberia was suicide. With the recent news of us saving the 2 infected Americans, I'd have gambled, too.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:13 am
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:12 am to Knight of Old
quote:At least for healthcare workers.
the US response is destined for FUBAR
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:13 am to trackfan
quote:
most people who are exposed to Ebola don't contract it.
That's an asinine statement. All those with Ebola have been exposed it.
A much better way of saying it is, "not all people who are exposed will contract it."
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:13 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:
Yes it was and there will be others that try the same thing.
It will be difficult when you consider the fact that a person would have to apply for and receive a VISA and purchase a plane ticket before they show any symptoms.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:13 am to Scruffy
quote:
To those who think this man is evil, what about the people who were brought back here for treatment? Are they evil? What about those who brought them back?
Were those people brought back on a commercial flight? Why not? Were they free to immediately roam the city when they got here? Why not?
If this guy were brought back in a manner that didn't expose the population at large, I would have no issue with him (assuming I was not paying for it of course).
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:15 am to Scruffy
quote:
To those who think this man is evil, what about the people who were brought back here for treatment? Are they evil? What about those who brought them back?
They were brought back on a small airplane with no other passengers. They were isolated and under observation from the time they got off the plane to the time the virus was cleared.
But don't let facts get in the way of emotion.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:15 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
His travel arrangements were made in advance.
That's a key point. He applied for his VISA two months before he helped that pregnant woman.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:15 am to Ace Midnight
quote:But given that scenario, you damn well would have notified the hospital at least that you might have been exposed. He did not.
he looked alright in that airport photo. Heck, if it was me, I'd want to be treated in the U.S.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:16 am to moneyg
quote:They already knew they had Ebola.
Were those people brought back on a commercial flight? Why not? Were they free to immediately roam the city when they got here? Why not?
According to NC's post, this man apparently didn't know anything at all.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:16 am to ell_13
We've already had people ask about ebola because they went to school with people who were born in Dallas.
I don't think people fully appreciate how absurd this flu season will be. Everyone with vomiting and a fever is going to believe that they have ebola because they stepped foot in Texas or talked to a black guy.
I don't think people fully appreciate how absurd this flu season will be. Everyone with vomiting and a fever is going to believe that they have ebola because they stepped foot in Texas or talked to a black guy.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:16 am to Scruffy
quote:
So, he knew he was already infected with Ebola at the time?
Well, if he didn't, my point is moot. I have no basis to argue whether he did or not, but obviously the argument we are both making is under the assumption that he did.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:17 am to LSU0358
quote:
But don't let facts get in the way of emotion.
I'm not the one who is emotional about this. Y'all seem to be the ones who are labeling him "evil" for his desperate and selfish act of survival, that is if he even knew he had come in contact with Ebola.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:18 am to BugAC
quote:quote:
most people who are exposed to Ebola don't contract it.
That's an asinine statement
It's an accurate statement. Why does it upset you?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:18 am to LSU0358
quote:
They were brought back on a small airplane with no other passengers. They were isolated and under observation from the time they got off the plane to the time the virus was cleared.
But don't let facts get in the way of emotion.
Both of your points are valid as it relates to Scruffy's argument.
He's crawfishing now though and hiding behind the possibility that Duncan didn't know he was infected.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:19 am to LSU0358
quote:Right.
To those who think this man is evil, what about the people who were brought back here for treatment? Are they evil? What about those who brought them back?
They were brought back on a small airplane with no other passengers. They were isolated and under observation from the time they got off the plane to the time the virus was cleared.
Totally different situation.
Those folks were treated by HC workers with isolation precautions from the get go. Much lower risk for caregivers in that scenario.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:19 am to moneyg
quote:True. I didn't feel very comfortable with that argument anyway. It was a poor attempt on my part.
Both of your points are valid as it relates to Scruffy's argument.
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