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DR FAUCI AND THE NIH KNEW IN 2005 CHLOROQUINE STOPS SARS

Posted on 4/6/20 at 7:01 am
Posted by smartbuck
Member since May 2018
365 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 7:01 am
HE IS PART OF THE TAKE TRUMP OUT CROWD

LINK
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
14284 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 7:19 am to
If you read his emails gushing praise on Hillary it makes you wonder.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111624 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 7:20 am to
Except it didn’t stop SARS.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15015 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 7:21 am to
PDF of evidence of efficacy of most treatments


No one debates that there is evidence that it works inside cell cultures outside of human bodies, and that's what you have linked. That's different than 1) reducing transmission and 2) saving lives


If you listen to what Fauci says, he doesn't say that it doesn't work or that it doesn't do anything.

What he has said has been to the effect of, "the studies available are a bit overblown in terms of what is being interpreted."
He doesn't deny it could be useful, but what the data currently show is not that.
If you read the IDSA data, they actually encourage enrollment in various clinical trials, and that it is also available outside of trials if enrollment isn't feasible.
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10465 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:15 am to
What do suggest we offer people who are dying? Nothing as we wait on clinical trials?

I want the Trump drugs if I get the China flu
Posted by shell01
Marianna, FL
Member since Jul 2014
793 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:24 am to
Ideally? HCQ in the context of a clinical trial. Or any of the other >200 products that have shown promise in a test tube and are currently being tested in people with the disease.
Trials offer access to potential therapies while at the same time collecting data that we need to know what works. It's not the either-or scenario many here seem to think.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15015 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:38 am to
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What do suggest we offer people who are dying?



I literally posted a link with what's available.

quote:

Nothing as we wait on clinical trials?

They recommend enrollment in the trials, firstly. They also list what's available and reasonable outside or the context of a trial, including plaquenil.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
35022 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:39 am to
One day soon, the irrefutable evidence of the relative effectiveness of HDCQ will be manifest; and it will be up to Fauci to justify his discouragement against an expedited use of this Drug which would have saved (assuming evidence bears such out) a LOT of lives. It'll be Fauci's baby...let him rock it. Trump is right, and you can damn well bet both he and Boris Johnson have taken that Drug.

IMO, Fauci is one of the MANY Progressive, Deep State anti-Trump actors up there. He IS 'the Swamp'. And his stance, action and the consequences are sadly predictable. Guaranteed that Fauci would never have suspended those early flights from Wuhan...on "anecdotal" evidence and WHO's sorry-assed- cover for the Chi-Coms.

I don't see how Trump gets up every morning an works with these back-stabbers who would love to see him fail...and be run out of office. So Hillary could take power.
Posted by Haydo
DTX
Member since Jul 2011
2949 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:43 am to
Thank you for posting this. This is the kind of level-headed, fact-based discussion that is needed. There's too much of this conspiracy laden crap flying around here and now is not the time for it.
Posted by SOKAL
Member since May 2018
4124 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:53 am to
Hell, I watched a 2015 show on Netflix, Virus Empire I believe it was. Things that were discussed in that film:

SARS originated from China;

The virus was from bats;

The malaria drug worked.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
35022 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 8:59 am to
quote:

There's too much of this conspiracy laden crap


Yeah...like those "conspiracy" theories that Obama wiretapped the Trump Campaign.

This is why wars are fought...and why political dialogue is useless to avert such. Pure, confirmation biased, cognitively dissonate and double standard and dishonest dialogue. Half truths offered a means of 'compromise'. This dog won't hunt much longer; it's why we are where we are. Honesty and Truth is here...and it's ('Second') Coming won't be painless.

Live and learn. Humanity 2020. Moving up the hard way.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119042 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:04 am to
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If you listen to what Fauci says, he doesn't say that it doesn't work or that it doesn't do anything.



But why does Fauci leave the audience with no hope and Birx just the opposite? See the difference in communication delivery style and the effect it has on people? Fauci doesn't have to be so negative.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8358 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:09 am to
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9912 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:12 am to
There's a lot of things that work in animal model cell cultures that don't work clinically. This is a study of African green monkey kidney cells.

Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15015 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:12 am to
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But why does Fauci leave the audience with no hope and Birx just the opposite?


I would have to ask the audience members. I don't perceive him as negative. In print, I see a lot of people spinning him that way, but from the handful of conferences I've watched, I've not really had too many problems with what he's said in response to questions asked of him and think they are reasonable responses, generally speaking. I, of course, cannot remember every single one. But in terms of his position on the drug, he says over and over again that he hopes it works. But he gets a lot of questions with an "It's a miracle drug and this is over" tone that he disagrees with based on a lack of evidence in trials and in data suggesting that, from what I gather. The way I have perceived him is generally positive and factual.


And, again, in no way, shape, or form has the man suggested that no one should use the drug until the trials have been published. He encourages physicians to enroll patients in the trials and the drug has been dispensed from the SNS for patients physicians think need it outside of trials.
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3191 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:23 am to
Stop ruining their Fauci bashing party.

Their criticisms aren't data driven. They are Monday morning quarterbacks.
Posted by Haydo
DTX
Member since Jul 2011
2949 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:30 am to


Are you telling me you don't see the connection between Obama wire tapping the phones in Trump tower and COVID-19?

Get woke.
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
6599 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:34 am to
in one hand I can appreciate Fauci's approach to caution people from viewing this drug as a savior against this virus.. playing bad cop to Trump's good cop, and tempering expectations, is not necessarily a bad thing

On the other hand, he's giving ammunition to these moronic governors to ban a potential treatment based on the fact that the drug hasn't chewed through a sufficient amount of red tape yet
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27247 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:36 am to
quote:

"the studies available are a bit overblown in terms of what is being interpreted."


Well, so are the models, just sayin'...
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63666 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:37 am to
God forbid that anyone dare to Utter anything that is not 100% in lockstep with DJT

More importantly: Never believe anyone who
may have spent a half hour with Hillary Clinton or once had a subscription to The New Republic while in med school.
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