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re: Donald Trump now has liberals defending the F-35 Program
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:46 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:46 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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All that extra pipes and plumbing and computers and stealth and shite ain't gonna fit on that old arse F18
you're showing a staggering amount of ignorance...perhaps you should Google F/A-18 E/F?
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Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:47 am to UncleFestersLegs
The BBC found a gold mine with that tard.
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"It's been seeing the way that Trump's election has mobilised a lot of the far right and given them hope," she says, citing a rise in reports of hate crimes and neo-Nazi activity
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As a transgender woman, she does not fear for her personal safety in the Californian city where she now lives but she says she knows people in rural areas "who woke up and found a bunch of swastikas and words like '****' and 'trannie' scrawled all over their building".
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:47 am to Jbird
Where people were explaining why Putin is considered a murderer. 
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:48 am to UncleFestersLegs
So much wrong with that article.
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"It's been seeing the way that Trump's election has mobilised a lot of the far right and given them hope," she says, citing a rise in reports of hate crimes and neo-Nazi activity.
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As a transgender woman, she does not fear for her personal safety in the Californian city where she now lives but she says she knows people in rural areas "who woke up and found a bunch of swastikas and words like '****' and 'trannie' scrawled all over their building".
She foresees a wide-ranging struggle between the Trump administration and the left over issues such as immigration and racial politics.
But won't buying a gun just increase tensions?
"Things are already escalating and they will continue to do so and me not engaging or being prepared to defend my friends by force... isn't going to stop people from being attacked or harassed," Clara says.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:50 am to therick711
quote:Yup!
Where people were explaining why Putin is considered a murderer
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:12 am to therick711
A trio of Connecticut Democratic lawmakers is calling President-elect Donald Trump’s calls for finding an alternative to the F-35 a “total non-starter.”
“Any suggestion that there is a substitute for the F-35 is a total non-starter,” Reps. Joe Courtney, Rosa DeLauro and John Larson said in a statement Friday. “This is a program that has been vetted ad nauseum by the Pentagon, the Congress and independent experts. There is simply no aircraft in production today that can compare with the F-35’s advanced avionics, networked capabilities and integrated stealth.”
For example, Courtney, DeLauro and Larson’s home state of Connecticut is home to Pratt and Whitney, the company manufacturing the F-35's engine.
Courtney is on the House Armed Services Committee and is the ranking member of its Seapower and Projection Forces Subcommittee. Larson is a co-chair of the bipartisan F-35 Caucus. DeLauro is a member of the House Appropriations Committee.
“Any suggestion that there is a substitute for the F-35 is a total non-starter,” Reps. Joe Courtney, Rosa DeLauro and John Larson said in a statement Friday. “This is a program that has been vetted ad nauseum by the Pentagon, the Congress and independent experts. There is simply no aircraft in production today that can compare with the F-35’s advanced avionics, networked capabilities and integrated stealth.”
For example, Courtney, DeLauro and Larson’s home state of Connecticut is home to Pratt and Whitney, the company manufacturing the F-35's engine.
Courtney is on the House Armed Services Committee and is the ranking member of its Seapower and Projection Forces Subcommittee. Larson is a co-chair of the bipartisan F-35 Caucus. DeLauro is a member of the House Appropriations Committee.
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Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:15 am to ballscaster
Done
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:17 am to LSUAlum2001
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Trump could cure cancer tomorrow, and the liberals would immediately be defending the rights of cancer cells..
This is so wrong yet so true...
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:25 am to Jbird
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bipartisan F-35 Caucus
F-35 has to have a Caucus to protect it.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:37 am to Jbird
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There is simply no aircraft in production today that can compare with the F-35’s advanced avionics, networked capabilities and integrated stealth.”
Too bad it doesn't outclass other fighters in attack capability and dog fightning. Scrapping a weapons program like the F35 over cost is not an unheard of idea. There have been numerous weapons programs that were cancelled because of cost and thebdeveloped technologies from the cancelled program were used in their replacement. The XMBT-70 that was cancelled then led to developing the M1 tank, the Seawolf which lessons learned and tech went to develop the Virginia class, etc. Nothing non starter about it.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:57 am to therick711
Liberals really have no foundational political stances, only to oppose whatever the Rs support.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:25 am to therick711
The article says the F-35 is stealthy and the F-18 is not. True enough.
Jbird or somebody will know better than me, but being Stealthy is no longer and "end all" and "be all".
"The 1999 F-117A shootdown was an event that took place on 27 March 1999, during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, (Operation Allied Force, Operation Noble Anvil), when an Army of Yugoslavia unit used a S-125 Neva/Pechora to down a Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk stealth aircraft of the United States Air Force. The pilot ejected and was rescued by search and rescue forces.[1]
The U.S. Air Force F-117A was developed in the 1970s, entering service in 1983 and officially revealed in 1988.[2] It saw its first combat in 1989 over Panama, and was widely seen as one of the most advanced pieces of U.S. military equipment.[2] At the same time, Yugoslavian air defenses were seen as relatively obsolete.[2]
"Unknown to NATO, Yugoslav air defenses operators had found they could detect F-117s with their obsolete Soviet radars after some modifications.[3] In 2005, Colonel Zoltán Dani confirmed this in an interview, suggesting that those modifications involved using long wavelengths, which allowed them to detect the aircraft when the wheel well or bomb bay doors were open.[4] In addition, the Serbs had also intercepted and deciphered some NATO communications, and thus were able to deploy their anti-air batteries at positions best suited to intercept NATO planes.[4]
On 27 March 1999, the 3rd Battalion of the 250th Air Defence Missile Brigade of the Army of Yugoslavia, under the command of Colonel Dani, downed F-117 Air Force serial number 82-0806, callsign "Vega 31".[2][5]...Photographs show that the aircraft struck the ground at low speed in an inverted position, and that the airframe remained relatively intact.[1] Some pieces of the F-117's wreckage are preserved at the Serbian Museum of Aviation in Belgrade,[15] other pieces of wreckage were reportedly sent to Russia and China, to be used in developing anti-stealth technology.[16] The USAF retired the F-117 in 2008.[17]"
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The point is that I don't know if the author of the article is really being honest about the whole idea of a Super F-18 being a good replacement for the F-35.
Jbird or somebody will know better than me, but being Stealthy is no longer and "end all" and "be all".
"The 1999 F-117A shootdown was an event that took place on 27 March 1999, during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, (Operation Allied Force, Operation Noble Anvil), when an Army of Yugoslavia unit used a S-125 Neva/Pechora to down a Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk stealth aircraft of the United States Air Force. The pilot ejected and was rescued by search and rescue forces.[1]
The U.S. Air Force F-117A was developed in the 1970s, entering service in 1983 and officially revealed in 1988.[2] It saw its first combat in 1989 over Panama, and was widely seen as one of the most advanced pieces of U.S. military equipment.[2] At the same time, Yugoslavian air defenses were seen as relatively obsolete.[2]
"Unknown to NATO, Yugoslav air defenses operators had found they could detect F-117s with their obsolete Soviet radars after some modifications.[3] In 2005, Colonel Zoltán Dani confirmed this in an interview, suggesting that those modifications involved using long wavelengths, which allowed them to detect the aircraft when the wheel well or bomb bay doors were open.[4] In addition, the Serbs had also intercepted and deciphered some NATO communications, and thus were able to deploy their anti-air batteries at positions best suited to intercept NATO planes.[4]
On 27 March 1999, the 3rd Battalion of the 250th Air Defence Missile Brigade of the Army of Yugoslavia, under the command of Colonel Dani, downed F-117 Air Force serial number 82-0806, callsign "Vega 31".[2][5]...Photographs show that the aircraft struck the ground at low speed in an inverted position, and that the airframe remained relatively intact.[1] Some pieces of the F-117's wreckage are preserved at the Serbian Museum of Aviation in Belgrade,[15] other pieces of wreckage were reportedly sent to Russia and China, to be used in developing anti-stealth technology.[16] The USAF retired the F-117 in 2008.[17]"
LINK
The point is that I don't know if the author of the article is really being honest about the whole idea of a Super F-18 being a good replacement for the F-35.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:33 am to WhiskeyPapa
quote:Well it's a little more complicated than merely being "invisible" to radar, one of the by products of stealth capabilities is the bad guys (F-117 shoot down) developed a tactic by which the used multiple radars from multiple locations to "paint" the stealth aircraft, soooo with the Harm shooters on station it is much easier to kill said radars in the earlier stages of a conflict.
The article says the F-35 is stealthy and the F-18 is not. True enough. Jbird or somebody will know better than me, but being Stealthy is no longer and "end all" and "be all".
Secondly if airborne (fighter) radars have a hard time finding you that means you in theory get into BVR (beyond visual range) missile position and shwack said bad guy.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:42 am to Port Royal
quote:You're showing a staggering ignorance of sarcasm.
you're showing a staggering amount of ignorance...perhaps you should Google F/A-18 E/F?
Posted on 12/23/16 at 2:36 pm to upgrayedd
LOL if that happened they did it on their own. False flag. Literally nothing to see here.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 2:41 pm to ballscaster
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Trump has conservatives defending the KGB. Anything is possible.
The KGB was dissolved in 1991.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 2:43 pm to ballscaster
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KGB
Has not existed since the ussr.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 3:01 pm to therick711
Ehh... Publicly attacking a defense acquisition program and sole source requesting an alternative proposal from a rival company is more my issue with it. And the issue of anyone on the right or left that knows a lick about defense tech acquisition.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:47 pm to Jbird
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Well it's a little more complicated than merely being "invisible" to radar, one of the by products of stealth capabilities is the bad guys (F-117 shoot down) developed a tactic by which the used multiple radars from multiple locations to "paint" the stealth aircraft, soooo with the Harm shooters on station it is much easier to kill said radars in the earlier stages of a conflict.
Well, that speaks to my point in the sense that if the HARM shooters come in and kill the enemy radars, then you don't need stealth.
HARM - High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile. They fly down the enemy radar beams and -they- must shut down their signal or die.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:08 pm to upgrayedd
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I don't see where this guy is a liberal other that you're upset that he dare challenge Trump's tweet.
I got on to challenge the use of the word liberal in this context.
upgrayedd handled it.
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