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Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:27 am to a want
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How many times he was shot.
i honestly don't think they knew until the autopsy, and they can't discuss the official police one yet
even in the secondary autopsy, it's somewhat of a guess
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Who the shooter was.
well there are legitimate reasons for this. after what happened to zimmerman (again, thanks to the mob of idiots), you're likely not going to see the name released if at all possible going forward. the mob is the reason for that
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In fact, it looked like it was cops vs. citizens for several days.
but how much of that is due to the citizens creating that conflict themselves? a large portion is their own fault
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:32 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
I agree. The looting started immediately, and the crowds were chanting and holding their hands up in the " surrender" posture. The media ran with it, and the momentum of speculation of a coverup was rampant.
Simple formula: white cop + black man dead + looters+ media = this
Simple formula: white cop + black man dead + looters+ media = this
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:32 am to a want
Will the facts matter? Of course not.
I have to say though, this situation feels different than the Trayvon debacle. This "protest" seems much more organized, with more "players" than we saw last time. It's almost like some of these forces had been waiting for another Trayvon-like event so they would have an excuse for causing trouble.
One thing never seems to change, though. These innocent, Eagle Scout victims who were simply whistling "God Bless America" while they were skipping towards Grandma's house....they never turn out to be very innocent, do they?
I have to say though, this situation feels different than the Trayvon debacle. This "protest" seems much more organized, with more "players" than we saw last time. It's almost like some of these forces had been waiting for another Trayvon-like event so they would have an excuse for causing trouble.
One thing never seems to change, though. These innocent, Eagle Scout victims who were simply whistling "God Bless America" while they were skipping towards Grandma's house....they never turn out to be very innocent, do they?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:34 am to a want
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How many times he was shot. The chief was evasive when asked this question. Who the shooter was. There we no press conferences. Even if you can't release specific info, you need to hold regular press conferences on an event of this magnitude. They released the burglary video at the same time they released the cop's name....they appeared to "protect their own" first and foremost in this whole thing. In fact, it looked like it was cops vs. citizens for several days.
It would not have mattered if they had press conferences every ten minutes. This thing was out of control already. Lines had been drawn and the conflict set.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:34 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
No.
We aren't a nation of reason,and law anymore.
We aren't a nation of reason,and law anymore.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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i honestly don't think they knew until the autopsy, and they can't discuss the official police one yet
The chief said something to the effect of: "he was shot more than twice...but not much more than twice.." It sounded like he was hiding somthing...they it turned out to be 6.
BTW: I'm not saying the only reason these idiots are rioting is because of police misinformation/shoddy PR. I'm just saying some people may have been more likely to view the evidence and circumstances in a less emotional/more rational manner if they had confidence in law enforcement.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:36 am to The Spleen
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Agreed, but I don't think it's because of any narrative. Had the police been a little more forthcoming with info from the start, some of the negative sentiment would have been abated. The local police have created their own narrative which has caused a lot of the animosity. At this point, there's no reasonable outcome to this.
Timeline:
Saturday approx. noon Brown is shot
Sunday morning police at presser say Brown was unarmed and shot after struggle for gun...
Sunday night a candlelight vigil mourning Brown turns violent around 9:00pm
It is what it is, and it happened relatively fast. If the people involved don't trust the system to provide justice then the result is chaos.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 8:39 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:36 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Does the evidence even matter in the Brown shooting?
For outsiders without and agenda, yes...
For people with an agenda, nope...
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:36 am to KCT
I really think the cops were truly trying to do the right thing at the start. The rioting was beyond their control and expertise. The media has been horrible at questioning the motives of those protesting and has not asked questions of those they interview to see if they are actually telling the truth. The autopsy being released is just going to allow "witnesses" to fix their stories to fit whatever narrative they wish. Hopefully the police were able to interview people before it was released. By fear is that due to the rioting, it likely hampered the investigation and anything we get now will be shadowed by outside influences.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:38 am to a want
Read this morning that a news outlet is reporting more than a dozen witnesses have independently confirmed the officer's account of the events.
Some of the main responses are basically Police are paying off witnesses, threatening them if they don't lie, etc.
Facts do not matter.
Some of the main responses are basically Police are paying off witnesses, threatening them if they don't lie, etc.
Facts do not matter.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:39 am to anc
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Read this morning that a news outlet is reporting more than a dozen witnesses have independently confirmed the officer's account of the events.
Link? I posted one reported by cnn but the "witness" turned out to be a friend of the family who was told the story by the cop's wife.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:40 am to a want
CNN airing the frick out of a chick calling into a radio station claiming to be the friend of the cop shows you the level of journalism going on
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:41 am to anc
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anc
I read something similar. Facts do not matter and this cop will be lucky if he can get out of this and have something close to a life.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
I know. It's meaningless. It's hearsay of the cop's version of the story. 
CNN is so terrible.
CNN is so terrible.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:43 am to a want
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he chief said something to the effect of: "he was shot more than twice...but not much more than twice.." It sounded like he was hiding somthing...they it turned out to be 6.
I'm sure they had the officer's gun and could have easily determined how many shots were fired. A statement saying "X amount of shots were fired, but until the autopsy is completed we can't verify how many times he was struck" would have gone a long way.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:46 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Does the evidence even matter in the Brown shooting?
Nope. Because the aggrieved believe that it's the fault of the Capitalist system that drives youth to desperation, frustration and rogue rebellion to the Authority that supports the 'unjust' system.
Holder to the rescue.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:46 am to The Spleen
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I'm sure they had the officer's gun and could have easily determined how many shots were fired. A statement saying "X amount of shots were fired, but until the autopsy is completed we can't verify how many times he was struck" would have gone a long way
At the end we should have a complete report.
This would include shots fired, shell casing locations, where the cop was when he shot, where Brown was when he was first hit, etc.
We should know if the cop had a report on the robbery. We should know a whole lot more.
But it all boils down to trust. If you can't trust the authorities then there is going to be trouble. and we all know there is a reason blacks(whites too) don't trust authority and there are opportunists who use that distrust for political gain.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:48 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
I am interested to watch how Holder conducts himself later today.
One has to assume that he is going to get the full on briefing and know everything there is to know. Assuming that the St. Louis reporter's tweet about there being 12 official witnesses on record as backing up the cop's version as accurate, does Holder go in front of any microphones and validate the protests after getting said briefing?
If Holder knows that MB's shooting was a clean shooting, does he try and walk back the administration's position of legitimizing the protests or does he stoke the flames?
One has to assume that he is going to get the full on briefing and know everything there is to know. Assuming that the St. Louis reporter's tweet about there being 12 official witnesses on record as backing up the cop's version as accurate, does Holder go in front of any microphones and validate the protests after getting said briefing?
If Holder knows that MB's shooting was a clean shooting, does he try and walk back the administration's position of legitimizing the protests or does he stoke the flames?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:52 am to Scoop
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I am interested to watch how Holder conducts himself later today.
The right way is to fly in, hold a presser to assure everyone that he is there to insure the truth will come out and justice will be done whatever that may be and for everyone to go home and let him and his people do their jobs.
Then he can get into the authorities, etc.
Someone who the people might trust needs to lead, and get the violence stopped. If they don't it will only get worse.
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