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Do school guidance counselors have aptitude test?

Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:13 pm
Posted by street pizza
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:13 pm
Wouldn't that have helped all of us?
I'm still an aquarius and have been bopping around.

Wouldn't an intensive aptitude summary be a good way to guide young people into areas they would have never explored? Particularly inner city youts?
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:18 pm to
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Do school guidance counselors have aptitude test?



My guidance counselor didn't have anything but alcoholism.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:19 pm to
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I'm still an aquarius and have been bopping around.

Why give a test when there is just so much more useful information derived from astrology signs?
Posted by Woobie
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:23 pm to
I thought schools weren't allowed to give tests anymore because it hurt people's feelings?

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:25 pm to
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I thought schools weren't allowed to give tests anymore because it hurt people's feelings?
Well I don't know where you're getting your information.

One of the issues surrounding education is the push for so much testing.
This post was edited on 1/18/17 at 10:26 pm
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:30 pm to
It would be considered racist. That's the only reason IQ tests are not more prominent
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:35 pm to
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It would be considered racist. That's the only reason IQ tests are not more prominent
Actually a major reason they aren't more prominent is that given what the measure (innate ability) and the length of an administration, they don't provide enough information on what to do.

There is a lot of debate regarding an aptitude-treatment interaction, but it's so difficult to study that the result of been inconclusive. I think it exists, but I'm not sure if it's feasible.
Posted by street pizza
3 Highview Crescent, Coolaroo
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:44 pm to
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Why give a test when there is just so much more useful information derived from astrology signs?


My name was derived from Dionysus. I'm functional..ish.

Its conditioning. And every parent should be aware of the things that will influence their child and make it good things. Like what you name him/her/it/the little thing.
Posted by street pizza
3 Highview Crescent, Coolaroo
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:50 pm to
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There is a lot of debate regarding an aptitude-treatment interaction


Its worth getting in depth with, just considering the inner city kids who need to be told that they are good at something. You're Better Than Thug!

I don't know. Maybe I'm racist thinking about the inner city black kids, maybe I should be concerned with the country white teen mama meth epidemic, it does look bad.
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:52 pm to
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Its worth getting in depth with, just considering the inner city kids who need to be told that they are good at something.
No it's probably good to find their strengths to guide them; it's good for anybody. I'm just not sure it's cost effective at this point, and what kind of test (IQ, aptitude, achievement, etc.) is another consideration as well.
Posted by street pizza
3 Highview Crescent, Coolaroo
Member since Dec 2010
1503 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:02 pm to
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I'm just not sure it's cost effective at this point


Start with a list of every job ever, for right now.
Add qualities need for these jobs.
Make sure students know these options.
Some are blue/dirty jobs. They pay well, and dirty hands make clean money.
Posted by street pizza
3 Highview Crescent, Coolaroo
Member since Dec 2010
1503 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:04 pm to
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Start with a list of every job ever, for right now.
Add qualities need for these jobs.
Make sure students know these options.
Some are blue/dirty jobs. They pay well, and dirty hands make clean money.


Make it user submitted content. They'll fill that grid up for you.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:05 pm to
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Actually a major reason they aren't more prominent is that given what the measure (innate ability) and the length of an administration, they don't provide enough information on what to do.


G, as you know, is correlated with ability across fields. It could be used to identify a range or limit of things to do
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:16 pm to
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G, as you know, is correlated with ability across fields. It could be used to identify a range or limit of things to do
Of course, and Gc and Gf (math; engineering) could provide some specificity.

The problem isn't in the predictive validity of G, as that's long been established; the problem is using that information to provide specific recommendations and plans that will maximize an individual's ability, whatever it may be.
Posted by street pizza
3 Highview Crescent, Coolaroo
Member since Dec 2010
1503 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:32 pm to
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to provide specific recommendations and plans


Dude, just give me some ideas. Aight?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45232 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:38 pm to
Your contention seems to stem from the lack of perfection in predictive capabilities of IQ tests. Would IQ tests allow us to better guide children? I think the answer is undoubtedly yes.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45232 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:40 pm to
I've actually had thoughts on the viability of a businesses that contracts high-IQ, low income high school students with employers.

I'm still convinced tech companies would be too worried about the ramifications of using IQ as a predictor
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:16 am to
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Wouldn't an intensive aptitude summary be a good way to guide young people into areas they would have never explored? Particularly inner city youts?


I spent half a day in high school taking an aptitude test in the guidance counselors office. It indicated that the best career fit for my main attributes was accounting. Off all the college classes I have taken in my life there is no subject I detest more than accounting. Fortunately I pursued what I knew I was interested in regardless of the test indication.
Posted by Woobie
Member since Jan 2017
2820 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:10 am to
I was being sarcastic more or less.

The ASVAB is actually a good aptitude test that can be used for more than just placement in military jobs.

It used to be a requirement for all Juniors when I was in HS.
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 1/19/17 at 6:15 am to
That's what I thought. I know I took one. Assumed they still do, maybe not though.
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