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DeVos moves to repeal Obama admin policy on college "rape"
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:01 am
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in an administration filled with terrible policies, this may literally be the worst policy. the Obama administration not only promoted a Pizzagate-level mythology (the campus rape crisis), but it actively sought to erode the due process rights of citizens (and disproportionately, a single sex of the citizenry)
fricking fascists. utter insanity
this author is also a fricking hack. that data, whether its true or not, applies to criminal cases. the issue presented by the Obama-era directions was that they promoted the idea of campuses taking on the role of police-investigatory authority, while lowering the burden of proof. we're talking about civil tribunals without due process rights and with a low threshold of the BOP. we're not talking about regular criminal data, like the author interjects.
fricking insane fascists
this is literally what the policy has shown. you just choose to ignore reality to live in your bubble and continue the echo chamber. why are progressives so afraid of basic rights like free speech and due process? why are progressives so happy to lower the burden of proof in quasi-criminal and criminal investigations?
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Education Secretary Betsy DeVos made it clear Thursday that Obama-era guidance regarding how campuses investigate sexual assault needs updating and clarifying, but she did not tip her hat as to what specific policy changes the administration would make.
"There are substantive legal questions to be addressed, including the evidentiary standard, due process and lack of public input," she told reporters after holding three separate 90-minute meetings with victims of campus sexual assault, those accused of sexual assault, and higher education officials and their legal teams regarding the enforcement of Title IX.
"Today's summit made it clear to me there's work to be done," she said. "This issue is hurting too many students. So we'll get to work to figure out the best way to solve this problem."
in an administration filled with terrible policies, this may literally be the worst policy. the Obama administration not only promoted a Pizzagate-level mythology (the campus rape crisis), but it actively sought to erode the due process rights of citizens (and disproportionately, a single sex of the citizenry)
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"The symposium's limited participation from student survivors is hardly adequate to get a comprehensive understanding of how Title IX protections and enforcement have allowed so many survivors to continue their education and of what happens when schools fail to live up to their civil rights obligations," Fatima Goss Graves, president and CEO of National Women's Law Center, who attended the meeting, said in a statement.
fricking fascists. utter insanity
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In the days leading up to the meeting, DeVos was slammed by those who oppose curtailing the Obama guidance for inviting students who have been "wrongfully accused" of sexual assault and their families. Nationally, only about 2-8 percent of sexual assault allegations are false, social scientists have estimated.
this author is also a fricking hack. that data, whether its true or not, applies to criminal cases. the issue presented by the Obama-era directions was that they promoted the idea of campuses taking on the role of police-investigatory authority, while lowering the burden of proof. we're talking about civil tribunals without due process rights and with a low threshold of the BOP. we're not talking about regular criminal data, like the author interjects.
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"It is crucial that the Secretary lead the way in rejecting obsolete and outrageous myths about sexual assault – including that rape is just a drunken encounter gone wrong – and harmful stereotypes about survivors," Graves said.
fricking insane fascists
this is literally what the policy has shown. you just choose to ignore reality to live in your bubble and continue the echo chamber. why are progressives so afraid of basic rights like free speech and due process? why are progressives so happy to lower the burden of proof in quasi-criminal and criminal investigations?
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 2:37 pm
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Thank Jah. This issue has been a scorching inferno that badly needed to be put out. I would actually love to see an assessment of the disproportionate impact of Title IX on male students.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:05 am to Damone
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I would actually love to see an assessment of the disproportionate impact of Title IX on male students.
agreed
in a bit of irony, males are minorities on college campuses
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
It was an utterly insane responsibility placed on Colleges.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:07 am to Jcorye1
to declare a policy likely the worst of the Obama admin, that's saying something
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
I can sympathize that it's an incredibly difficult crime to prosecute, but I cannot agree with a lot of the people who want to shift the burden of proof to the alleged offender.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
Good on DeVos. And it bugs me that they use the word "survivor" in these cases.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
And it's not like Title IX was aimed at just white males, no doubt minorities have been affected as well. People scream about the criminal justice system all the time, yet with Title IX the Obama Administration essentially crafted a statutory scheme where the accused was guilty until proven innocent and not even afforded the right to face their accuser.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
I think Devos was a terrible pick, and most of her proposals have been pretty terrible.
This seems like a good one so kudos to her for getting something right.
This seems like a good one so kudos to her for getting something right.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Title IX does need a major revision...but sure as shite not by Betsy DeVos.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Jameis Winston approves.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:12 am to Jcorye1
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I can sympathize that it's an incredibly difficult crime to prosecute, but I cannot agree with a lot of the people who want to shift the burden of proof to the alleged offender.
i mean to even get there we have to accept that we want to shift the burden of investigation onto colleges instead of police in the first place. that's legit clowns shoes business. colleges should have no role in any investigation for about 1,000 reasons
you know why they wanted colleges to investigate? because criminal prosecutions are more difficult. that's literally the justification
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:13 am to 5thTiger
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Title IX does need a major revision...but sure as shite not by Betsy DeVos.
i'm not speaking about her generally
she's 100% right on this individual issue
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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this may literally be the worst policy.
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fricking insane
That colleges are some how better equipped to deal with this than the local authorities.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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i mean to even get there we have to accept that we want to shift the burden of investigation onto colleges instead of police in the first place. that's legit clowns shoes business. colleges should have no role in any investigation for about 1,000 reasons
Agreed.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:23 am to Jcorye1
Why schools handle sexual violence reports
see? they just want an easier path
also, this is scary arse shite
due process? innocent until proven guilty? no longer mainstream thinking. that's for fascists like Neil Gorsuch
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For many survivors, campus reporting is their only option. Many victims of sexual violence don’t want to turn to the criminal justice system: they may fear skepticism and abuse from police, prosecutors, or juries; they may not want to go through the ordeal of a long trial; they may fear retaliation from their assailant, who will most likely not end up prosecuted, let alone convicted; and they may be hesitant to send their assailants to prison. But even survivors who do report to the police are often abandoned by the system. Only a quarter of all reported rapes lead to an arrest, only a fifth lead to prosecution, and only half of those prosecutions result in felony convictions.
see? they just want an easier path
also, this is scary arse shite
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Colleges and universities can act quickly to protect students. Schools, unlike the criminal justice system, are in the position to take action quickly to ensure a safe campus; if they had to rely on the criminal justice system to try the case, the college would have to wait years for the assailant to be taken to prison (which only happens in three in 100 rapes). As the school waited for the trial to conclude, the victim would be left on campus with their perpetrator – or perhaps forced out of school for their safety – and other students would be vulnerable to repeat violence by the assailant. If you don’t want rapists on campus, we need schools to be able to figure out if violence occurred and take action.
due process? innocent until proven guilty? no longer mainstream thinking. that's for fascists like Neil Gorsuch
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Perhaps the sickest example of this Odumbf*ck policy was Amherst case.
I wish I was sitting on the jury for the guy who sues Amherst.
I would have only one question --
What is the size of Amherst's endowment?
I would then take that number and multiply it by 1000 to make sure that Amherst is forced to shut down and never open its doors again.
I wish I was sitting on the jury for the guy who sues Amherst.
I would have only one question --
What is the size of Amherst's endowment?
I would then take that number and multiply it by 1000 to make sure that Amherst is forced to shut down and never open its doors again.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:33 am to MMauler
it's hard to pick a "worst"
Occidental is up there. i believe that's the one where both were drinking, she was clearly giving consent via text, and even talked to a friend after it happened.
Occidental is up there. i believe that's the one where both were drinking, she was clearly giving consent via text, and even talked to a friend after it happened.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
I can fap to this
although somehow I feel Devos will frick it up
although somehow I feel Devos will frick it up
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's hard to pick a "worst"
Occidental is up there. i believe that's the one where both were drinking, she was clearly giving consent via text, and even talked to a friend after it happened.
In the Amherst case, SHE RAPED HIM while he was pretty much passed out drunk. He was the boyfriend of the rapist's roommate -- so he wasn't even trying to hit on her -- she just found him extremely drunk and decided she wanted to have sex with him.
She admitted it to her friends.
She even texted her friend about it.
Then some SJW counselor somehow convinced her that she was the victim and she filed rape charges against the victim.
All of HER friends wanted to testify on behalf of the male victim. They also had the texts where she admitted that she was the one who raped him.
Amherst kicked him out and refused to let anyone testify or to admit the texts as evidence.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 10:39 am
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