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December NY Times Article: Obama gave Trump blueprint how to crack down on press

Posted on 2/26/17 at 2:08 am
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 2/26/17 at 2:08 am
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If Donald J. Trump decides as president to throw a whistle-blower in jail for trying to talk to a reporter, or gets the F.B.I. to spy on a journalist, he will have one man to thank for bequeathing him such expansive power: Barack Obama.

Mr. Trump made his animus toward the news media clear during the presidential campaign, often expressing his disgust with coverage through Twitter or in diatribes at rallies. So if his campaign is any guide, Mr. Trump seems likely to enthusiastically embrace the aggressive crackdown on journalists and whistle-blowers that is an important yet little understood component of Mr. Obama’s presidential legacy.

When Mr. Obama was elected in 2008, press freedom groups had high expectations for the former constitutional law professor, particularly after the press had suffered through eight years of bitter confrontation with the Bush administration. But today, many of those same groups say Mr. Obama’s record of going after both journalists and their sources has set a dangerous precedent that Mr. Trump can easily exploit. “Obama has laid all the groundwork Trump needs for an unprecedented crackdown on the press,” said Trevor Timm, executive director of the nonprofit Freedom of the Press Foundation.

Dana Priest, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The Washington Post, added: “Obama’s attorney general repeatedly allowed the F.B.I. to use intrusive measures against reporters more often than any time in recent memory. The moral obstacles have been cleared for Trump’s attorney general to go even further, to forget that it’s a free press that has distinguished us from other countries, and to try to silence dissent by silencing an institution whose job is to give voice to dissent.”

More significantly, the Obama administration won a ruling from the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in my case that determined that there was no such thing as a “reporter’s privilege” — the right of journalists not to testify about their confidential sources in criminal cases. The Fourth Circuit covers Virginia and Maryland, home to the C.I.A., the Pentagon and the National Security Agency, and thus has jurisdiction over most leak cases involving classified information. That court ruling could result, for example, in a reporter’s being quickly jailed for refusing to comply with a subpoena from the Trump administration’s Justice Department to reveal the C.I.A. sources used for articles on the agency’s investigation into Russian hacking during the 2016 presidential election.

Press freedom advocates already fear that under Senator Jeff Sessions, Mr. Trump’s choice to be attorney general, the Justice Department will pursue journalists and their sources at least as aggressively as Mr. Obama did. If Mr. Sessions does that, Ms. Dalglish said, “Obama handed him a road map.”


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I got the article link from Twitter. It's oddly unsettling how a number of things they talked about in the article has already happened or is starting to happen.
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 2/26/17 at 2:28 am to
Unsettling huh? Yet I don't seem to remember you making this thread in December or any of the 8 years prior...

Hmmmmmm
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 2:29 am
Posted by Deuces
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/26/17 at 2:29 am to
Maybe if the press could perform their jobs the right way by not handing out Trump Russian flags at CPAC to make fake news or reporting that Trump was in Moscow getting pissed on by Russian hookers to his anime porn while he was at Mar-a-Largo having Christmas with his family, such measures wouldn't have to be taken.

The press brought their illegitimacy upon themselves.
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 2:30 am
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 3:11 am to
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Maybe if the press could perform their jobs the right way by not handing out Trump Russian flags at CPAC to make fake news


Yeah that didn't happen. The press didn't hand out flags.

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reporting that Trump was in Moscow getting pissed on by Russian hookers to his anime porn while he was at Mar-a-Largo having Christmas with his family


They reported the story that was unfolding at the time with the president. I mean any potential scandal involving any president will be largely publicized in the media. That's just how it goes. I believe most said it was alleged in a dossier which was true.
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 2/26/17 at 3:12 am to
Yeah, you're a pathetic idiot. Back up your idiotic rebuttals.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 3:41 am to
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Yeah, you're a pathetic idiot. Back up your idiotic rebuttals


Ok...

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These are mostly considered "liberal" or "mainstream" media. They all state it was a prank by a liberal activist and not people actually supporting russia.

Golden shower reports:

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So how is this "fake news"? They're reporting on it, but they didn't say it was a proven fact. They discuss the "allegations" presented by the British spy, but do not make the claim they are true.

I don't expect you to have a calm or reasonable response based on your initial reaction, but they were reporting what was going on. That's it.
Posted by Deuces
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/26/17 at 3:52 am to
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They reported the story that was unfolding at the time with the president. I mean any potential scandal involving any president will be largely publicized in the media. That's just how it goes. I believe most said it was alleged in a dossier which was true.


It was untrue and fake news. CNN, NBC, Buzzfeed, and WaPo caught major flak for reporting something with zero evidence that couldn't be proven the days following. If something is total bullshite and unverified, you don't report on it. It was a buzzfeed article that CNN originally propped, then tried to save face shortly following it's debunk.

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But CNN declined to include the specific allegations contained in the dossier — such as collusion between Mr. Trump’s team and Russian operatives — saying that its journalists could not independently verify them.


You don't report such claims if they're completely unvarified with no significance, especially something as appalling as this. It's an embarrassment to their credibility and integrity. Many false allegations go un reported because of such repercussions.


We all know that it sounded completely true to begin with, huh?
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 4:13 am
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 2/26/17 at 4:00 am to
You just don't get it. I feel sad for you but optimistic that your kind are being reduced to irrelevancy and, with any luck maybe, extinction.
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 4:01 am
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 4:25 am to
Had to retract that pic didn't you??

Looks like the "fake news" got you believing a lie. Didnt realize that wasn't him i guess. Shows how much reading on the matter you did.

The guy who actually did it was a freelance writer who has written for many companies from huffpo to the WSJ.

It was a childish stunt, but it wasn't done by the huffington post like some are claiming.

Posted by Deuces
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Posted on 2/26/17 at 5:09 am to
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The guy who actually did it was a freelance writer who has written for many companies from huffpo to the WSJ. It was a childish stunt, but it wasn't done by the huffington post like some are claiming.


That pic may not have been him, but he's still been employed by them and many other liberal outlets, from what you are saying. The picture not being him doesn't mean the story is "fake news", only that that isn't the right picture of the perp.

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ETA: As of Jan. 29, this article says he was employed by the Huffington post. He was arrested after crashing a republican event.

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Ryan Clayton, a writer for the Huffington Post and a man with a history of violence crashed a republican gathering. He jumped on the stage and took control of the mic and began singing.



So you telling me the press didn't hand out flags is false. This guy has, if not currently, worked for the HuffPo within the past month, and he handed out Russian flags during Trump's CPAC speech. He is the press and he handed out the flags, no matter how much you want to lighten the situation.
This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 5:34 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260706 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 5:55 am to
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The press didn't hand out flags.


Huffpo
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
3673 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 6:20 am to
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Unsettling huh? Yet I don't seem to remember you making this thread in December or any of the 8 years prior...

Hmmmmmm



Secret sources claiming Obama did these things in a stealthy, nuanced manner vs Trump on live national tv prohibiting and insulting certain media outlets.

Which method do you believe will draw the most attention?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
123945 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 6:20 am to
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an institution whose job is to give voice to dissent.
No!
an institution whose job is to report the damn news, or offer opinions about it, but not to lie.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260706 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 6:22 am to
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. The moral obstacles have been cleared for Trump’s attorney general to go even further, to forget that it’s a free press that has distinguished us from other countries, and to try to silence dissent by silencing an institution whose job is to give voice to dissent.”


This is so wrong.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 6:23 am to
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That pic may not have been him, but he's still been employed by them and many other liberal outlets, from what you are saying. The picture not being him doesn't mean the story is "fake news", only that that isn't the right picture of the perp.


Yes. I mean obviously if someone does something as a citizen it immediately means his contract employer set the whole thing up right?

Can you show me any proof that this was more than a dumb prank done by some activist? Just because he writes articles as a profession doesn't mean that's who did it. Can you not see the difference here?

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So you telling me the press didn't hand out flags is false.


No it's not at all. If he were there acting on behalf of a news organization i could understand this, but he wasn't. He was their as a citizen/activist. Csn you show me one bit of proof that he was there as press? Until then your claim makes as much sense as saying every atrocity done by a private citizen can be attributed to their employer. It makes no sense unless you can say the two were working together to orchestra or execute the stunt.

This guy has even been a contributer for fox news. all those crazy liberals at Fox must have been in on it too.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 6:28 am to
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Yeah that didn't happen. The press didn't hand out flags.


No the same a-hole who has already been caught on tape bragging about inciting violence at Trump rallies did.

What kind of piece of shite even thinks of such an idea?

nice to know after his public shaming that it was so tough for him to find another job in the democrat party/radical left apparatus

Oh please please please keep trying to defend this shite.

What kind of fricking moron would believe that there would be any Trump supporters outside of maybe a handful of Russian expats who would wave a fricking Russian flag at a gathering of US conservatives? If the fricking press had any interest in doing their jobs they would go up to the people and ask "Why are you waving that?" Then once they were told they would look for the source of the flags and get to the real story.

Instead they went for the quick gotcha because they too are left wing hacks and they so wanted the story of organic Russian flag waving to be true.
Posted by Deuces
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Member since Nov 2011
12391 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 6:43 am to
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Yes. I mean obviously if someone does something as a citizen it immediately means his contract employer set the whole thing up right? Can you show me any proof that this was more than a dumb prank done by some activist? Just because he writes articles as a profession doesn't mean that's who did it. Can you not see the difference here?


He's employed by them for Christ's sakes! He's a journalist! If Don Lemon or Jake Tapper did something like this, would it still not matter? Unfortunately, when you are employed under an organization, what you do negatively and publicly as a private citizen can have repercussions on your place of work, which is why people get fired from incidents outside of work.

Ray Rice beat his wife and was fired and banned from the NFL, but damnit! He beat his wife as a private citizen and a misogynist activist. His work place had no reason to fire him, because it's not like it doesn't reflect badly on them at all! I know wife-beating is illegal, but this is being used as an example
of private citizen/work relationships.
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No it's not at all. If he were there acting on behalf of a news organization i could understand this, but he wasn't. He was their as a citizen/activist.


He's employed by the HuffPo, therefore, he represents the HuffPo.

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Until then your claim makes as much sense as saying every atrocity done by a private citizen can be attributed to their employer.


That's exactly what I'm saying and that's exactly how the real world works, which is why people are fired for committing outside atrocities daily.

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This guy has even been a contributer for fox news. all those crazy liberals at Fox must have been in on it too.


I know you look at Fox News as some alt-right fanatic news station, but even they have liberals that're employed on the network. See Shepard Smith, Juan Williams, etc.

This post was edited on 2/26/17 at 6:51 am
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 7:03 am to
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He's employed by the HuffPo, therefore, he represents the HuffPo.


Wow. You're really reaching here. Can people be fired because they do something outside of work that negatively impacts the company? Yes. Does that mean the company committed these actions? No. It's funny you can't tell the difference between the two.

Let me know when you have that proof about how huffington post orchestrated this whole thing. Show me one legitamite article that says this person did anything more than worked for huffpo as a writer? Just because you work for someone doesn't mean they actually planned your stunt. There's a difference here. Please understand that.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
40254 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 7:10 am to
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Donald J. TrumpVerified account?@realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour ago

For first time the failing @nytimes will take an ad (a bad one) to help save its failing reputation. Try reporting accurately & fairly!

Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64666 posts
Posted on 2/26/17 at 7:12 am to
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The press didn't hand out flags.
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