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re: Death Penalty Ruled Unconstitutional in California
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:13 pm to DonChowder
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:13 pm to DonChowder
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I don't trust the State to decide who lives and who dies.
This x1000
I always find it curious when small government, "I don't trust the government bc its a cluster of ineptness" types post in support of the DP.
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You probably mean Homicide. Murder is something completely different.
no, i mean murder because that's what it is
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:14 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I always find it curious when small government, "I don't trust the government bc its a cluster of ineptness" types post in support of the DP.
welcome to the poli board
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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no, i mean murder because that's what it is
What law school did you pay off to get a degree? According to California law..
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(a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a
fetus, with malice aforethought.
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Unlawful killing
Let's start off with the basics. A "homicide" refers to the killing of another person, whether lawful or unlawful. A homicide therefore includes murder, manslaughter, as well as justifiable killings.
"Murder" is the most aggravated type of homicide. It is always unlawful.
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
their court just ruled it unconstitutional, therefore it is, in fact, unlawful 
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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their court just ruled it unconstitutional, therefore it is, in fact, unlawful
Again, having not seen the decision and only CNN's summary, it sounds like the judge did not rule that capital punishment was unconstitutional.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:25 pm to Antonio Moss
honestly i wasn't speaking in the legal sense, i was calling it murder in the moral sense. But of course everyone is so obsessed with playing the "gotcha!" game on here that these kinds f things typically get drowned out.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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But of course everyone is so obsessed with playing the "gotcha!" game on here that these kinds f things typically get drowned out.
Probably because morals are highly subjective, and personal. Some think taxation is immoral.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Probably because morals are highly subjective, and personal. Some think taxation is immoral.
and yet somehow i doubt you give those people the same lecture
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:43 pm to GetCocky11
He is spot on about the practice being "dysfunctional."The death penalty as it is currently carried out in America is wrong. Too many innocent people have been murdered by the state. Cameron Todd Willingham is a shining example of this. It should be stopped in all 50 states immediately.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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and yet while you don't trust the government to administer a food stamp program
Where did I say this? Moreover, how is it even relevant? Most objections to food stamps have nothing to do with government efficiency.
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you do trust it to carry out murder
Murder, by definition, in the unlawful taking of a life. Capital punishment cannot therefore be murder as it is only performed in states in which it is legal.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:45 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Probably because morals are highly subjective, and personal. Some think taxation is immoral.
and yet somehow i doubt you give those people the same lecture
Probably because I sympathize with their stance.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:47 pm to GetCocky11
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He wrote: "Allowing this system to continue to threaten Mr. Jones with the slight possibility of death, almost a generation after he was first sentenced, violates the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment. "
You can have a negative view of the death penlty and still think thid is an absurd line of reasoning.
I like how anti DP people say it takes too long and then proceed to clog the system with limitless appeals for anything they can think of.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 6:58 pm to jclem11
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Cameron Todd Willingham is a shining example of this
Have you read the 19-page rebuttal by the City of Corsicana Fire Department regarding the "expert" reviewing the case?
The supposedly "neutral expert" was acting like an advocate for Willingham, and ignored numerous inconsistencies in what Willingham told the police when first questioned.
Here's the link to the Corsicana rebuttal:
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