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re: Dear liberals - Remember it was Mexico that let the USSR invade us back in 1984
Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:43 pm to red racker
Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:43 pm to red racker
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The Zimmerman Telegram was a British forgery
Tell that to Zimmerman.
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:45 pm to jlovel7
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By that same logic should we also treat current day germany with the same hostility?
Probably so, since Germany has been collaborating with many Mideast nations dating all the way back to the time when Sultan Hamid of Turkey forged an axis with the Kaiser Wilhelm II. Also, don't forget about Hitler's meetings with the Shah in WW2 or the Berlin to Baghdad Railroad.
Suspiciously Angela Merkel welcomed in millions of refugees to disperse into other EU states and carry out attacks on Paris and Brussels in order to level down the economic competition and protect German economic supremacy in the EU.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:49 pm to WestCoastAg
it's obvious neither of us are going to cave. We both know the Mexicans wouldn't have done shite. They were in the middle of civil war, had just gotten their shite packed 50 years or so earlier in the Mexican American war. It wasn't going to happen. Our impasse seems to be on if their open line of communication with Germany being a collaborated plan. Let's say you want me murdered. You ask Bob to murder me. Bob says no. But DOESN'T tell me. Instead, Jim took a picture of the message and shows me how you asked to kill me. Now, true Bob didn't come up with the plan. And even though he said no, he still is a "collaborator" in a sense that he didn't tell me HEY, WESTCOASTAG wants me to kill you!
You don't wanna look like you're collaborating on a murder? Come forward and spill the beans. It's all about perception.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:50 pm to beerJeep
quote:or, you know, say no and have absolutely no part in it
You don't wanna look like you're collaborating on a murder? Come forward and spill the beans. It's all about perception.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:52 pm to WestCoastAg
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or, you know, say no and have absolutely no part in it
There's a plot to kill the president. You know said plot. You don't say anything. President gets killed.
The secret service sure as frick won't see it the way you see it mon frere.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:53 pm to beerJeep
well thats completely the same thing
Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:54 pm to DarthRebel
Damn Russians killed finally killed him by their cancer gas. Savages.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:54 pm to WestCoastAg
Is it not? A collaborated plan to kill the president and a collaborated plan to invade the US both have the same end goal.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:56 pm to beerJeep
quote:its not
Is it not?
quote:on one hand you have private citizens making a plan to kill a president which is illegal, on the other, you have an independent and sovereign nation conducting diplomacy with another independent and sovereing nation which is 100% within their rights to do
A collaborated plan to kill the president and a collaborated plan to invade the US both have the same end goal.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:59 pm to beerJeep
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We both know the Mexicans wouldn't have done shite. They were in the middle of civil war, had just gotten their shite packed
The alleged goal was not for Mexico to actually win, but to distract the US long enough to enable Germany to finish off Britain. Also, if you believe the conspiracy theory and the fake Telegram, then the goal was to get Japan to align with Mexico and start attacking the West Coast. Japan obviously refused to cooperate and instead waited for the Second World War to carry out the attack and support Germany.
Mexico is waging an economic warfare strategy, which is a demographic warfare strategy. Mexicans are exploiting the US today similar to the way the French did to Germany after WWI and the Treaty of Versailles. The US is coming off a humiliating defeat in the Iraq War and the War on Terror, and Mexicans are seizing upon the opportunity and playing both sides, and that is why Neocons like Rubio and Cruz (Cuban-Americans) hate America First paleoconservatism and Trump. They know the perpetual wars in the Mideast would enable them to get a foothold in US politics for their demographic best interest on both sides of the political aisle.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:00 pm to WestCoastAg
On one hand you have people murdering the president to bring on social unrest and turmoil. And a new rise to power.
On the other hand, you have widespread killing via invasion, who's end goal is to bring on social unrest and turmoil, and bring to rise a new power.
Two means to one end.
On the other hand, you have widespread killing via invasion, who's end goal is to bring on social unrest and turmoil, and bring to rise a new power.
Two means to one end.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:02 pm to red racker
Dude just stop. The Zimmerman telegram wasn't a fake. Zimmerman came out in 1917(?) and admitted it wasnt a fake.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:02 pm to beerJeep
quote:and now we are back to whose being disingenuous
Two means to one end.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:02 pm to beerJeep
quote:
Zimmerman came out in 1917(?) and admitted it wasnt a fake.
Did he have a choice?
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:04 pm to red racker
Does anyone truly have a choice?
Why are we getting into philosophical discussions?
Why are we getting into philosophical discussions?
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:04 pm to red racker
quote:uh yes?
Did he have a choice?
what better way to create distrust among the united states and Britain than just say that the absolute one thing that made us say enough is enough and enter the war was completely false?
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:06 pm to DarthRebel
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The hate still keeps me warm at night
The hate still keeps me warm at night
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:06 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
what better way to create distrust among the united states and Britain than just say that the absolute one thing that made us say enough is enough and enter the war was completely false?
The Zimmerman Telegram was not the reason the US entered WWI.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:11 pm to red racker
quote:that was the tipping point. germany resuming unrestricted submarine warfare in early 1917 made it an inevitability but the telegram is basically what made it actually happen when it did
The Zimmerman Telegram was not the reason the US entered WWI.
we found out about the telegram in late february of 1917 and we declared war on germany in april
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:20 pm to red racker
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The British forged the hoax Telegram and blamed in on Arthur Zimmerman. Britain needed the US to come in and protect their inbred asses from the healthier and stronger Germans. The Midwest German-Americans did not collaborate and did not back the Plan of San Diego in 1915 either.
Probably not too far off from the truth. By the time of the Zimmermann Telegram, Britain was bleeding men-literally. In July 1916 at the Somme, 20,000 Brits died the FIRST day and close to an additional 35,000 died in the ensuing months. Couple that with British losses at Ypres in 2015 and the Marne in 1914 and the fiasco that was Gallipoli basically a whole generation in Britain was being wiped out. If the U.S. had not come in, by late 1918 the British would not have been able to field an effective army and with Germany no longer at war with Russia in the East, those soldiers that were being refitted and rehabbed were slated for the Western Front.
If the British had not created that communique, they would have been guilty of mal-feasance
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