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David Brooks of all people "gets" what happened with Google. Calls for CEO to resign.

Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:19 am
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:19 am
He of "I foolishly brought a high school educated friend to a high end delicatessen and embarrassed her" fame manages to cut through the BS, which is shocking. But credit where credit is due.

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There are many actors in the whole Google/diversity drama, but I’d say the one who’s behaved the worst is the C.E.O., Sundar Pichai.

The first actor is James Damore, who wrote the memo. In it, he was trying to explain why 80 percent of Google’s tech employees are male. He agreed that there are large cultural biases but also pointed to a genetic component. Then he described some of the ways the distribution of qualities differs across male and female populations.

Damore was tapping into the long and contentious debate about genes and behavior. On one side are those who believe that humans come out as blank slates and are formed by social structures. On the other are the evolutionary psychologists who argue that genes interact with environment and play a large role in shaping who we are. In general the evolutionary psychologists have been winning this debate.


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In his memo, Damore cites a series of studies, making the case, for example, that men tend to be more interested in things and women more interested in people. (Interest is not the same as ability.) Several scientists in the field have backed up his summary of the data. “Despite how it’s been portrayed, the memo was fair and factually accurate,” Debra Soh wrote in The Globe and Mail in Toronto.


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Geoffrey Miller, a prominent evolutionary psychologist, wrote in Quillette, “For what it’s worth, I think that almost all of the Google memo’s empirical claims are scientifically accurate.”

Damore was especially careful to say this research applies only to populations, not individuals: “Many of these differences are small and there’s significant overlap between men and women, so you can’t say anything about an individual given these population-level distributions.”


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What we have is a legitimate tension. Damore is describing a truth on one level; his sensible critics are describing a different truth, one that exists on another level. He is championing scientific research; they are championing gender equality. It takes a little subtlety to harmonize these strands, but it’s doable.

Of course subtlety is in hibernation in modern America. The third player in the drama is Google’s diversity officer, Danielle Brown. She didn’t wrestle with any of the evidence behind Damore’s memo. She just wrote his views “advanced incorrect assumptions about gender.” This is ideology obliterating reason.


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The fourth actor is the media. The coverage of the memo has been atrocious.


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As Conor Friedersdorf wrote in The Atlantic, “I cannot remember the last time so many outlets and observers mischaracterized so many aspects of a text everyone possessed.” Various reporters and critics apparently decided that Damore opposes all things Enlightened People believe and therefore they don’t have to afford him the basic standards of intellectual fairness.

The mob that hounded Damore was like the mobs we’ve seen on a lot of college campuses. We all have our theories about why these moral crazes are suddenly so common. I’d say that radical uncertainty about morality, meaning and life in general is producing intense anxiety. Some people embrace moral absolutism in a desperate effort to find solid ground. They feel a rare and comforting sense of moral certainty when they are purging an evil person who has violated one of their sacred taboos.


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Which brings us to Pichai, the supposed grown-up in the room. He could have wrestled with the tension between population-level research and individual experience. He could have stood up for the free flow of information. Instead he joined the mob. He fired Damore and wrote, “To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not O.K.”

That is a blatantly dishonest characterization of the memo. Damore wrote nothing like that about his Google colleagues. Either Pichai is unprepared to understand the research (unlikely), is not capable of handling complex data flows (a bad trait in a C.E.O.) or was simply too afraid to stand up to a mob.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 9:26 am
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:22 am to
Wow. I'm rather surprised. Props to Brooks.

Also, the sheer irony of proggies saying evolutionary psychology is horseshite yet you dare question the holy scripture of global warming and you are a blasphemer.

Posted by Taxing Authority
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:27 am to
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As Conor Friedersdorf wrote in The Atlantic, “I cannot remember the last time so many outlets and observers mischaracterized so many aspects of a text everyone possessed.” Various reporters and critics apparently decided that Damore opposes all things Enlightened People believe and therefore they don’t have to afford him the basic standards of intellectual fairness.
This is because the media has decided their role is to influence rather than inform.

Should scare the hell out of us. But it didn't start with this memo.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 9:28 am
Posted by RuLSU
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:27 am to
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Also, the sheer irony of proggies saying evolutionary psychology is horseshite yet you dare question the holy scripture of global warming and you are a blasphemer.

Basically, science is awesome as long as it agrees with your narrow view of the world. The progressives aren't the only ones who do this, of course, but their hypocrisy is far more pronounced.

They claim to be the "educated" population, but dismiss or attack a branch of science because it hurts their feelings.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:29 am to
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“To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not O.K.”


"reality is not OK'

-science denier
Posted by Gusoline
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:32 am to
:golfclap:
Posted by RuLSU
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:33 am to
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This is because the media has decided their role is to influence rather than inform.

Should scare the hell out of us. But it didn't start with this memo.

Very well said.

It's a very serious problem and I don't see an easy solution.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:33 am to
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Wow. I'm rather surprised. Props to Brooks.


He said that he was very concerned about the "muh Russians" story because of the glaring lack of any evidence a few months ago.

Perhaps someone is slipping him some red pills.
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:35 am to
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He said that he was very concerned about the "muh Russians" story because of the glaring lack of any evidence a few months ago.

Perhaps someone is slipping him some red pills.


I still think Brooks is a whackadoodle proggy, but he seems to be an honest whackadoodle proggy.

I can work with that.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:36 am to
nothing in that memo should have triggered anyone

this was just a perfect example of an emotional mob that needed to destroy someone

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:38 am to
this Google shite probably won't be some sort of inflection/tipping point, but it may be

it just has so much of the dark side of progressivism

claims of promoting/desiring diversity and attacking diversity of thought

running victory laps in celebration of their hypocrisy

really weird, vague threats while in victory mode
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:42 am to
You saw they called off a Town Hall meeting on diversity because they were afraid portions of it would be leaked? No doubt the plan was to reassure everyone that views like that of Damore (no doubt presented in a skewed manner) would not be tolerated, but that everyone could still speak freely. They now probably fear that they have emboldened those who think like Damore to leak info to the press.

This whole fiasco has shown Google to be a microcosm of life run by the Progressive Diversity Agenda. Chilling if you are not 100% lock step in line.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:44 am to
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this was just a perfect example of an emotional mob that needed to destroy someone


I believe Brooks hits on something in this piece with regards to a lack of belief in moral absolutes. Our society believes there is nothing absolutely wrong except sexism, racism and homophobia. It approaches a religious level fervor. And the acts of worship in this religion are destroying anyone who knows something differing from the new orthodoxy and alternately celebrating anti heroes.

In the new religion, a violent criminal who attacks a police officer and is shot is a saint and a baker who refuses to bake a wedding cake is a demon.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 9:46 am
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:45 am to
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nothing in that memo should have triggered anyone



Nothing in any memo should ever trigger anyone.

The "triggered" phenomenon is an admission of the left's inability to rationally address issues.
Posted by dewster
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:49 am to
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Of course subtlety is in hibernation in modern America. The third player in the drama is Google’s diversity officer, Danielle Brown. She didn’t wrestle with any of the evidence behind Damore’s memo. She just wrote his views “advanced incorrect assumptions about gender.” This is ideology obliterating reason


Progressive totalitarianism at work.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:50 am to
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You saw they called off a Town Hall meeting on diversity because they were afraid portions of it would be leaked? No doubt the plan was to reassure everyone that views like that of Damore (no doubt presented in a skewed manner) would not be tolerated, but that everyone could still speak freely. They now probably fear that they have emboldened those who think like Damore to leak info to the press.

i think there was also fear of alt-right doxing, officially

however, i think the real reason they were worried about the town hall was because of what would actually happen in the town hall. if some employees asked difficult questions, Google could look TERRIBLE. what happens if a genuine employee asks a neutral question that crosses some line with a small population? and Google fires him? or if Google doesn't fire him?

i think Google realized they were walking a fine line and could look like legit authoritarians. so they have to cancel an uncontrollable event like a town hall and will handle it in a very controlled way.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:51 am to
They've painted themselves in quite a corner. Damore also filed an NLRB claim against Google, so their lawyers may have been worried about any statements made during the town hall later being used against them.
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:57 am to
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this was just a perfect example of an emotional mob that needed to destroy someone
Thats what propagandists do.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:57 am to
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They've painted themselves in quite a corner.

if we held these progs to logical consistency, they'd always be in that corner
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:59 am to
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Wow. I'm rather surprised. Props to Brooks.
Yep.
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