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Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:30 pm to MrCarton
Your reasoning is that since women are college educated and literate in these countries, they're treated right and humanely.
Women are treated like this in Muslim countries because of the Quran.
In Saudi Arabia, women cannot,
1.drive a car
2. Work in the same workplace as males
3.compete in sports freely
4. Be seen in public without a male relative or husband
5. Leave the country without a man's permission
5. Be seen not dressed conservatively. Execution can be expected
6. Claim rape without multiple witnesses. If rape is claimed, she has a greater chance of being punished than the male.
Woman to be executed for being pictured without a hijab
I bet she's college educated and literate though! Herp derp!
Gang raped woman sentenced to 200 lashes. Peep receives light punishment.
At least she has an 80% literacy rate though!
Her life expectancy while she's locked in her husbands basement with a college degree can be up to 77 years too! Wow.
Afghan woman claims rape by her police chief after reporting a rape
But the U.S. has more rapes apparently. I'm sure Afghanistan's judicial system is 100% up to par with the U.S. with no statistical skews whatsoever. They are a pretty modernized country, almost as updated as America! That constitution of there's has probably been around what, a long 5 years?
I'm not slandering, I'm using their laws and customs. Compared to the U.S., it seems as if women have more freedom.
Losing battle friend.
Women are treated like this in Muslim countries because of the Quran.
In Saudi Arabia, women cannot,
1.drive a car
2. Work in the same workplace as males
3.compete in sports freely
4. Be seen in public without a male relative or husband
5. Leave the country without a man's permission
5. Be seen not dressed conservatively. Execution can be expected
6. Claim rape without multiple witnesses. If rape is claimed, she has a greater chance of being punished than the male.
Woman to be executed for being pictured without a hijab
I bet she's college educated and literate though! Herp derp!
Gang raped woman sentenced to 200 lashes. Peep receives light punishment.
At least she has an 80% literacy rate though!
Her life expectancy while she's locked in her husbands basement with a college degree can be up to 77 years too! Wow.
Afghan woman claims rape by her police chief after reporting a rape
But the U.S. has more rapes apparently. I'm sure Afghanistan's judicial system is 100% up to par with the U.S. with no statistical skews whatsoever. They are a pretty modernized country, almost as updated as America! That constitution of there's has probably been around what, a long 5 years?
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No, we don't have to agree with everything they do. No, we don't have to lie and slander them either.
I'm not slandering, I'm using their laws and customs. Compared to the U.S., it seems as if women have more freedom.
Losing battle friend.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:31 pm to RobbBobb
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Dude? Seriously?
Dude, seriously.
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Rape in the United States is defined by the Department of Justice as "Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim." While definitions and terminology of rape vary by jurisdiction in the United States, the FBI revised its definition to eliminate a requirement that the crime involve an element of force.[1] A 2013 study found that rape is grossly underreported in the United States.[2] Furthermore, a 2014 study determined that police departments eliminate or undercount rapes from official records in part to "create the illusion of success in fighting violent crime".[3] Based on the available data, 21.8% of American rapes of female victims are gang rapes.[4] For the last reported year, 2013, the prevalence rate for all sexual assaults including rape was 0.1% (prevalence represents the number of victims, rather than the number of assaults since some are victimized more than once during the reporting period). The survey included males and females aged 12+.[5] Since rapes are a subset of all sexual assaults, the prevalence of rape is lower than the combined statistic.[6] Of those assaults, the Bureau of Justice Statistics stated that 34.8% were reported to the police, up from 29.3% in 2004.[7]
LOL. Looks like we treat women like second class citizens here too!
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Never get your facts from Wiki. It changes from hour to hour
Just click on the reference for the stats. I can google it again for you.
US ranked 14th in rapes.
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3) In the US a rape is reported if you don't call by a certain time the next morning
That's probably true, which is why so few rape cases lead to conviction.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:41 pm to Deuces
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Your reasoning is that since women are college educated and literate in these countries, they're treated right and humanely.
No, that isn't my reasoning at all. Nice try though!
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Women are treated like this in Muslim countries because of the Quran. In Saudi Arabia, women cannot, 1.drive a car 2. Work in the same workplace as males 3.compete in sports freely 4. Be seen in public without a male relative or husband 5. Leave the country without a man's permission 5. Be seen not dressed conservatively. Execution can be expected
You pick the one country in the region, which I already pointed out was the worst, to explain to me why the "Quran" says women can't drive and have to be executed for not wearing Hijab?
Do you realize that virtually every country in the region opposes SA's governmental policies? Hundreds of Millions of Muslims int he region denounce this interpretation of Islam, the proof of that statement is in the wide variance in throughout the region in how women are treated...among other indicators.
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I'm not slandering, I'm using their laws and customs. Compared to the U.S., it seems as if women have more freedom.
No, you clearly aren't as I have already demonstrated the common falsehoods about the region to you simple minded idiots.
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Losing battle friend.
Correct, your ignorance will never be cured.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:42 pm to bamafan1001
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Dont have a wife, never have beat one
So you beat your boyfriend instead?
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:42 pm to MrCarton
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Just click on the reference for the stats. I can google it again for you.
You know that hasn't been updated since 2010?
At this point youre just looking for websites that back up your suppositions. This is all you need to know about rape stats in Muslim areas
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Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.
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Rape of Muslim women is against Islamic law - although the rape of non-Muslim women is not
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:47 pm to MrCarton
Meh you arent very clever. Muslim apologists are not often the brightest bulbs in the bunch
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:47 pm to RobbBobb
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You know that hasn't been updated since 2010?
Oh, So we have dropped what, 38 spots to fall below Afghanistan in rape statistics? GTFOH.
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At this point youre just looking for websites that back up your suppositions. This is all you need to know about rape stats in Muslim areas
I am looking up information to back up my case? You don't say!
Are you really this fricking dumb? Unfrickingbelievable. quote:
Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery. quote: Rape of Muslim women is against Islamic law - although the rape of non-Muslim women is not
What in the frick are you rambling about?
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:48 pm to bamafan1001
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Meh you arent very clever. Muslim apologists are not often the brightest bulbs in the bunch
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:49 pm to RobbBobb
Hmmm...
My post is gone.
I still hope Germany wakes up and takes the appropriate measures to eradicate the cancer that infects its society (and that of Europe).
My post is gone.
I still hope Germany wakes up and takes the appropriate measures to eradicate the cancer that infects its society (and that of Europe).
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:54 pm to MrCarton
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Oh, So we have dropped what, 38 spots to fall below Afghanistan in rape statistics? GTFOH.
I notice you haven't mentioned rape stats in the US by race.
wonder why that is?
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:55 pm to MrCarton
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Well, I am an atheist
So am I, but you're the kind of nonbeliever that gives our group the reputation that it has. You revel in showing Christians their "own hypocrisy" when they say something that contradicts the teachings of their Religious Savior. But that's the thing, being a Christian isn't following Jesus word perfectly and without deviation. It's realizing that you fall short of the "perfect standard" of Jesus and trying your best to correct your failings and praying that your God will forgive you....
I once thought the same way you did about Christians and called the "hipocrits" out, but then I grew up and realized that I was only doing that to make myself feel more intelligent and superior to them. Which is a selfish and immature way to be.
I thing believing in a supernatural power is illogical, but out of all the groups that do, Christians are some of the best and on the most part mankind benefits from the modern version of Christianity.
I won't convince you to stop being an arrogant, know it all on this board. But please stop trying use the "Christians are hypocrits" tactic to try to win your arguments.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:57 pm to MrCarton
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You pick the one country in the region, which I already pointed out was the worst, to explain to me why the "Quran" says women can't drive and have to be executed for not wearing Hijab? Do you realize that virtually every country in the region opposes SA's governmental policies? Hundreds of Millions of Muslims int he region denounce this interpretation of Islam, the proof of that statement is in the wide variance in throughout the region in how women are treated...among other indicators.
You literally came to defend yourself by showing me the college education rate of women in three Islamic countries, out of many more, and how women can vote or potentially involved in politics. You can deny it, but your post is sitting there.
BBC News: Egypt ranks worst for women out of 22 Muslim nations
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The study found sexual harassment, high rates of female genital mutilation and a growth in conservative Islamist groups contributed to the low ranking.
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Iraq ranked second-worst after Egypt, followed by Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen.
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The poll asked experts to assess factors such as violence against women, reproductive rights, treatment of women within the family and women's role in politics and the economy. Discriminatory laws and a spike in trafficking contributed to Egypt's place at the bottom of the ranking of 22 Arab states, the survey said.
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A UN report in April said 99.3% of women and girls in Egypt had been subjected to sexual harassment. "The social acceptability of everyday sexual harassment affects every woman in Egypt regardless of age, professional or socio-economic background, marriage status, dress or behaviour," said Noora Flinkman of Egyptian campaign group HarassMap.
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Meanwhile, the survey said Iraq was now more dangerous for women than under Saddam Hussein, with women disproportionately affected by the violence of the past decade.
I bet they're educated there though! Hell, they can probably vote too!
I thought Saudi Arabia was the worst and everyone else looked down upon them?
Al Jazeera: 8-10 women report sexual harassment in Iraq
-from a study reported out of Baghdad.
Feel free to bring another false claim. I'll start on some new countries.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:02 pm to Sticky37
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So am I, but you're the kind of nonbeliever that gives our group the reputation that it has.
No.
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You revel in showing Christians their "own hypocrisy"
no.
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when they say something that contradicts the teachings of their Religious Savior. But that's the thing, being a Christian isn't following Jesus word perfectly and without deviation
you invented this context, not me. This has nothing to do with me.
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I once thought the same way you did about Christians and called the "hipocrits" out, but then I grew up and realized that I was only doing that to make myself feel more intelligent and superior to them. Which is a selfish and immature way to be.
sounds like you had a life changing realization. I am glad for you. has nothing to do with me. thanks for the really uninteresting story.
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but out of all the groups that do, Christians are some of the best and on the most part mankind benefits from the modern version of Christianity.
This isn't even being discussed. nobody has disputed this.
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I won't convince you to stop being an arrogant, know it all on this board. But please stop trying use the "Christians are hypocrits" tactic to try to win your arguments.
No. I will not stop calling out "Christians" who judge, without evidence, innocent people. Who ridicule the father of a raped and murdered girl for being gracious in the worst moment of his life.
Thanks for the hot tips though. :winkemoji:
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:03 pm to MrCarton
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What in the frick are you rambling about?
Unless a Muslim woman has 4 witnesses shes not going to even report the rape. So any stats you pull up, aint worth shite. Secondly, refugees don't even fear rape charges due to their past experiences. However, EU and US women will report it. Kinda screws up any comparisons, don't you think
And a guy that uses Wiki as his 'proof'. Yeah that's someone to take serious
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:04 pm to gthog61
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notice you haven't mentioned rape stats in the US by race.
wonder why that is?
lol. I'm not a liberal, i have no problem saying which races commit crimes at what rates.
thanks for playing, douche.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:08 pm to RobbBobb
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US women will report it. Kinda screws up any comparisons, don't you think
Except that 30% who don't. As I have linked already. WE have the same problems with this issue as everyone else does. Women don't WANT to report that they have been raped. This is well documented.
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Unless a Muslim woman has 4 witnesses shes not going to even report the rape. So any stats you pull up, aint worth shite.
Thanks for playing, but this has already been refuted in many of the dozens of links I have provided.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:10 pm to Deuces
from your own link
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Historically, Iraqi women and girls have had more rights than women in other countries across the Middle East. Women were formally granted equal rights in Iraq's constitution in the 1970s, which allowed them to go to school, vote, run for political office and own property. But that began to change after the 1991 Gulf War with the United States. Women and girls were disproportionately affected by the conflict and the United Nations' economic sanctions that followed, limiting access to food, healthcare and education. The US-led invasion in 2003 worsened the situation dramatically. Hanaa Edwar, who runs the Iraqi Al-Amal Association, a women's rights group, is campaigning to change that. She says decades of successive wars, economic sanctions, sectarian violence, the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group, and the growing influence of tribal culture are all tearing at the fabric of Iraqi society. "One of the things that preoccupies me and some of the other women's rights activists is the damaging of the moral ethics inside the country - because there are no moral ethics now," she told Al Jazeera.
It looks like the US invasions have really hurt women's rights in Iraq. fricking dirty muslims.
You have no idea what you are talking about. None whatsoever. Zero. Nada. Zilch.
Check out these stats. Do you accept these numbers? If not, why? If so, Why?
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:17 pm to MrCarton
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It looks like the US invasions have really hurt women's rights in Iraq. fricking dirty muslims.
I read the article, but I didn't support the war in Iraq, so I'm not saying i disagree. You can ignore the headline of the article, saying 8-10 women are sexually harrassed. The article was also written in Baghdad, so I'm sure some think things were fine and dandy under Sadam anyway. To be honest, I don't disagree with that notion. It was better than ISIS.
I keep contradicting what you're saying and your responses keep getting narrowed. You're cornered by about 5 people in you're getting desperate.
When 20 people are consistently proving you wrong, you may be wrong.
Saudi Arabia was not the worst out of the Muslim countries
Rapes are largely unreported in Afghanistan
Egypt ranks the worst out of all Muslim countries with women treatment, along with 2 others before Saudi Arabia, where women can't drive, be in public alone, or be integrated with men.
And your response is at least they're educated in a couple countries and some can vote.
Keep narrowing it.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:21 pm to LordSaintly
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I don't speak German. Where are you getting the translation (not that I don't trust you)?
I speak German. This is what it says as literally as I can translate it:
For 19 years, Maria was a great sunshine for our family, and she will remain that. We thank God for this gift that he has given to us in her. We are certain that she is good by him.
Instead of flowers, we ask for a donation for the educational activity of the church in Bangladesch((bank account details for the "Catholic Parish Holy Cross in Birkenfeld.") or for the "Freiburg Student Initiative Vision."
.......... So no, not for a Muslim support group.
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