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Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:50 am to JuiceTerry
I almost dread posting in this long assed thread.
But, I kinda thought this was a good column on the subject.
I don't necessarily agree with it all.
But, it's a pretty solid discussion of police officer culpability.
BLUF: Writer feels officer was culpable.
National Review Column
But, I kinda thought this was a good column on the subject.
I don't necessarily agree with it all.
But, it's a pretty solid discussion of police officer culpability.
BLUF: Writer feels officer was culpable.
National Review Column
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:02 am to ShortyRob
The cop panicked and shot a guy that hadn't committed any crime, had a permit to carry the gun, and informed the officer that he had the gun. At this point the get out of jail free card for cops is "I feared for my life".
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:06 am to DawgsLife
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You didn't watch the video did you? I can tell.
You assumed wrong, watched it several times. How you can conclude what he was reaching for is beyond me. We don't have the visual aids to make a definitive conclusion on why the officer went from calm to "fear of his life"....poor communication from both parties IMO
When he said "don't reach for it!", Castille should have paused & asked for further instruction with a LEO on edge. It's just the reality of encounters with LEOs, right or wrong
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:09 am to TN Bhoy
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Castile didn't panic, and he didn't have police training. Only the cop panicked.
Castile had no reason to believe his life was in danger. (And it shouldn't have been) The cop had a stop and was told the driver had a weapon and was moving around. The cop had a reason to believe his life might be in danger.
Under intense pressure situations people sometimes make poor decisions.
I am not saying the cop make a good choice. I am explaining that I understand why the officer was jumpy and nervous. People who don't understand this have never been in an intense situation like this.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:11 am to LSUButt
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I agree...we have to treat grown men like children? If I have a gun and the cop tells me not to reach for it, I'm going to just sit there and do nothing and wait for further instructions. It's funny how people need to be told EXACTLY word for word what to do. It's common sense...except when you're high as a kite I guess things are more difficult to understand.
Unfortunately we do. People just don't seem to get it, sometimes. When there is a weapon involved you have to be super, super careful how you move and react...even what you say.
My theory, is most people know they have no intent to harm anybody, so they think everybody understands that. that isn't how life is. Unfortunately, other people do not know what your intent is.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:16 am to cwill
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The cop panicked and shot a guy that hadn't committed any crime, had a permit to carry the gun, and informed the officer that he had the gun. At this point the get out of jail free card for cops is "I feared for my life".
And most of this post is wrong.
1. He had committed a crime. His girlfriend admitted they had just been smoking marijuana.
2. He lied on his application to get a CC Permit. Crime #2.
3. He was high while carrying weapon. Crime #3.
As for his permit? It was obtained illegally.
When there is a gun in the car and an officer does not know where the gun is and the driver continues to move about freely in the car after being told multiple times to stop moving....yes. I think it is reasonable to be scared.
I am not saying he made a good decision. But people who think you can do anything you want to do during a traffic stop, especially while carrying a weapon are just not being logical.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:19 am to cwill
The dash cam vid makes the shooting look worse. The cop was in the wrong business
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:24 am to AjaxFury
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You assumed wrong, watched it several times. How you can conclude what he was reaching for is beyond me.
I never said what he was reaching for, and I don't know what he was reaching for. neither do you, and neither did the officer. hat is what caused the problem.
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We don't have the visual aids to make a definitive conclusion on why the officer went from calm to "fear of his life"
Correct, but we do have the audio. the officer began to panic when he was told there was a gun in the car. he then told the driver not to reach for the gun, and the driver continued to reach for something. As you pointed out, we don't know know what he was reaching for, and neither did the officer. He might have been reaching for his insurance card, or he might have been reaching for his gun.
I don't know. I have said over and over again that i BELIEVE he was reaching for his insurance card. but I can assume that because my life is not in the balance. if the officer assumes that and Castile comes up with a gun it is too late. The officer would be dead.
The reason I said you probably had not watched the video, is that you seem oblivious that once Castile said he had a gun it was 1 or 2 seconds before the shooting happened. It happened really, really quick.
The officer did not have a lot of time to speculate, reason or think through what was happening. We have that advantage.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:24 am to the808bass
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That's a vague command unfortunately
It's only vague if you are completely stupid.
If the cop wanted his license he would have asked for it.
What the co wanted , what ALL LEOs want EVERY frickING TIME is for everyone in the car to sit the frick still until ordered to do otherwise.
Now, an idiot might think this is because cops are pussies and can't handle situations where people are just doing whatever they want, but the reality is this man is dead because he couldn't be bothered to still for 2 minutes. LEOs want people to sit still until told otherwise because that is what is safest for EVERYONE involved.
This was literally Darwin at work.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:25 am to DawgsLife
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The officer did not have a lot of time to speculate, reason or think through what was happening. We have that advantage.
Yeah. That's kinda the point. Castile says he has a gun in the car and he's dead 5 seconds later. That's not an argument in favor of the cop.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:26 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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If the cop wanted his license he would have asked for it.
He did. Next dumb point, copper?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:28 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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This was literally Darwin at work.
The grip law enforcement and military have over the minds of impressionable people is surreal
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:28 am to the808bass
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Yeah. That's kinda the point. Castile says he has a gun in the car and he's dead 5 seconds later. That's not an argument in favor of the cop.
It's not an argument against him either.. The cop had no control over how long the idiot waited before making a move towards some unknown item after REPEATED warnings not to reach for it.
Some yall seem to think LEOs should have to take extra risks with their lives to give people the benefit of the doubt. That's false.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:29 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Some yall seem to think LEOs should have to take extra risks with their lives to give people the benefit of the doubt. That's false.
Exactly. Y'all should start firing into any car when someone moves. So you can go home and beat your wives.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:30 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The grip law enforcement and military have over the minds of impressionable people is surreal
Yes
"people should sit still when told to by police" is quite the nefarious position to take
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:31 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Some yall seem to think LEOs should have to take extra risks with their lives to give people the benefit of the doubt. That's false.
There was no risk. The cop panicked. Castile is dead because he told an unworthy cop he was carrying.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:31 am to the808bass
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Exactly. Y'all should start firing into any car when someone moves. So you can go home and beat your wives.
Ah, the ad hom with nothing of substance to the discussion. I accept your surrender.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:33 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
You said Castile was a victim of Darwinism. frick yourself. If you can't have compassion on an innocent person killed by a shitty police officer, you resign your badge and retire to the desert to contemplate why you're a shitty person.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:36 am to the808bass
Losing Philando Castile is no great tragedy. The only tragedy is this cop is going to have this on his record.
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