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Cruz Found an Overlooked 1974 Rule; Could Be a Real Game-changer for ObamaCare

Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:25 am
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:25 am
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Republicans' long-anticipated Obamacare replacement has received a less than warm reception, even within the party itself.

Among the disappointed is Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), who now says he's found a decades-old rule that he hopes will allow Republicans to pass a more thorough, far-reaching health care reform bill.

However, Cruz's strategy — which would leverage the power Vice President Mike Pence has as president of the Senate — “might blow up the Senate too,” Bloomberg Politics notes.

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One of the main complaints Republican lawmakers have with the new health care reform bill is that it employs many of the same provisions as its predecessor, with some even labelling it “Obamacare Lite.”

The Hill explains exactly why the scope of this bill is so limited:

House Republicans left several reforms popular with conservatives out of their health care bill because the parliamentarian is likely to rule them outside the scope of special rules in the upper chamber that prevent a Democratic filibuster.


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These special rules hinge on what is known as “reconciliation,” a process which allows legislation that affects the budget but has a limited scope to be passed with only a simple Senate majority, leaving such bills immune to filibuster.

Traditionally, it has fallen to the parliamentarian — who advises the Senate “on the interpretation of its rules and procedures” — to determine what should and should not be considered a reconciliation bill.

According to Cruz, however, a provision in the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 would allow Republicans to both drastically increase the scope of their new health care reform bill and still let it fall under reconciliation by essentially bypassing the parliamentarian and leaving that decision up to Vice President Pence.

As Cruz put it:

“Under the Budget Act of 1974, which is what governs reconciliation, it is the presiding officer, the vice president of the United States, who rules on what’s permissible on reconciliation and what is not.

That’s a conversation I’ve been having with a number of my colleagues."


Who exactly those colleagues are remains unclear, though it's known that the Texas senator did meet with both President Trump and Vice President Pence over the course of the last week:
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45232 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:28 am to
Based Zodiac Killer!
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32557 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:34 am to
Leave it to Ted Cruz to find some crazy, old, hidden away law.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:43 am to
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, hidden away law.
they aren't hidden, just usually ignored.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
18674 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:43 am to
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Leave it to Ted Cruz to find some crazy, old, hidden away law.



He is a tactician for sure.
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14916 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:46 am to
The real question here is how do House and Senate leaders not know the rule exists.

Cruz is the man.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 10:51 am
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:53 am to
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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)

He's lying.
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30900 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:59 am to
So, they'll play a "Trump" card to pass what is almost universally considered a bad idea just to "get something passed?"

They've had years to come up with a better alternative, and when finally given the power they have no idea what to do?
Posted by TiptonInSC
Aiken, SC
Member since Dec 2012
18920 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:01 am to
We love Honest Ted don't we folks?
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
24574 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:02 am to
Pay attention Cruz haters. This is why he is the most important man in congress. The dude is right on the issues, and he's the most strategical and intelligent man there. Cruz is MAGA AF!
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42637 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:09 am to
They just need to repeal the ACA and then set about creating a robust "Charity Hospital System" to trrindigent people with real maladies. Forget the "designer' processes like elective abortion and sex-change crap. Otherwise pay for what you want = insure yourself or rely on Charity Hospital.

By robust, I mean real hospitals set up to deliver real health care staffed by doctors who select to go there or as internship long enough to pay off their student loans. And provide some pro-bono service (like lawyers do) to cycle all doctors thru the system in order to provide upper echelon leadership and tutoring to oversee the processes.

Nothing is free, except we do need to provide for basic needs for the truly indigent = don't show up all tatted up and working our iPhone.
Posted by Zephyrius
Wharton, La.
Member since Dec 2004
7943 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:13 am to
McConnell has been pretty supportive of Trump so far... If Cruz invokes that rule that will be a game changer. I can imagine McConnell would not be pleased and would be curious to see how the Senate "gang" try to weasel out of it.

It would be dangerous to invoke it if the current Demo rulers happen to ever win back the presidency but the Dems have been so partisan that they may be the only way the US citizens get true reform...

Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45232 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:14 am to
We're so afraid of winning.
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
6954 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:16 am to
dangerous game to play
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:19 am to
As nice of a 'one weird trick' this is for Lion Ted Cruz, this is exactly the kind of thing that shouldn't get dug up, because in 8 years, the DNC will be doing the same thing when the pendulum swings back.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
19350 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:21 am to
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As nice of a 'one weird trick' this is for Lion Ted Cruz, this is exactly the kind of thing that shouldn't get dug up, because in 8 years, the DNC will be doing the same thing when the pendulum swings back.

I'm pretty sure this is what happened when Obamacare was initially passed. Joe Biden ruled that it was valid under reconciliation. I may be misremembering though.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146956 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:21 am to
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dangerous game to play

how is it dangerous? nothing is worse than sneaking this in, in the middle of the night...

Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98887 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:22 am to
Holy shite! How beautiful would this be?????

Of course, this absolutely would bite the GOP in the arse somewhere down the line.
Posted by KeyserSoze999
Member since Dec 2009
10608 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:24 am to
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how do House and Senate leaders not know the rule exists.


I wonder


Good thing Cruz and Trump patched things up, they might make a formidable team
Posted by Zephyrius
Wharton, La.
Member since Dec 2004
7943 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:32 am to
Apparently the Dems were ready to use this rule in 2010 to pass Obamacare... Feb. 2010 Red State article


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The parliamentarian can rule any provisions as “incidental” and remove it from the bill if he or she judges that its purpose is to write new policy not simply to alter the federal budget. “The ‘incidental’ test is a very difficult test because it is very subjective,” Dove said. “You are trying to judge peoples’ motives,” he said. The Senate can overturn the parliamentarian’s rulings with 60 votes — but if Democrats had 60 votes, they would not be using reconciliation. Dove also noted that Vice President Joe Biden, in his Constitutional role as President of the Senate, is the ultimate authority and could overrule the parliamentarian. He added, though, that “no vice president, frankly, since Nelson Rockefeller in 1975, has exercised that right.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 11:34 am
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