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re: Crippling Unions Democratic support...
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:08 pm to 5thTiger
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:08 pm to 5thTiger
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Billy decides he doesn't want to be a part of the union, and Billy sucks and gets hurt at work. The Union (and all its members) get butt fricked by Billy without him even being a member.
Tough shite. They've been fricking the working man for decades.
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:17 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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You can have a bazillion dollars but without workers to hire it is useless.
If I have no money how many workers do you think I can hire? Why do union shills always lack even a 5th grade understanding of markets?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:25 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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You are idiots to think anything else. You have been proogramed to think Unions are bad, when they are the only mechanism to ensure good wages for workers.
It is truly sad that you believe this, the only thing unions ensure is mediocrity in the workplace.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Tough shite. They've been fricking the working man for decades.
Unions have been fricking the working man for decades? Really? Increased wages and substantially better working conditions are bad?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:38 pm to 5thTiger
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Unions have been fricking the working man for decades? Really? Increased wages and substantially better working conditions are bad?
They haven't been relevant since the 60's. They take the working guys money, feed the fat cats, bribe government officials and call it a day.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:23 am to 5thTiger
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Tough shite. They've been fricking the working man for decades.
Unions have been fricking the working man for decades? Really? Increased wages and substantially better working conditions are bad?
Unions have been fricking the working man because they end up killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. Countless businesses and entire industries have been killed by unions continuing to demand more and more until the labor just gets too expensive. Then the company either goes under or moves to a right to work state or offshore.
Unions lost their way decades ago.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:40 am to 5thTiger
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Unions have been fricking the working man for decades? Really? Increased wages and substantially better working conditions are bad?
I'll introduce you to two excellent hands that we've hired away from union employment at what most on the outside would have considered a very desirable job.
They can tell you how awesome it is to get passed over for promotions and the coinciding raises while lazy, entrenched frickheads with seniority sit back and lap up the gravy.
They can tell you about getting formally reprimanded for helping someone carry something heavy when an idle bystander filed a grievance claiming they were doing something that wasn't their job.
They can tell you how many fits and welds they were allowed to make on a 6" pipe line during a day's work, even if they were capable of making three times that many.
The unions that exist in your head and the unions that exist outside your head aren't exactly the same thing.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 6:11 am to WhiskeyPapa
This quote sounds very much like it is allowing the worker to have MORE options and freedoms to choose where and with whom he works. This sounds like it restricts the ability of the Unions to force potential workers to join. It doesn't sound like it prevents unionization at all.
Full disclosure, I didn't read the link. Does it go into greater detail and provide better examples of how Right to Work limits individual freedoms? Because this quote reads quite the opposite to me
Full disclosure, I didn't read the link. Does it go into greater detail and provide better examples of how Right to Work limits individual freedoms? Because this quote reads quite the opposite to me
Posted on 1/3/17 at 6:18 am to WhiskeyPapa
Ah yes the Ed Obannon law suit. Made something like $100 for every athlete and destroyed a video game millions loved to play (NCAA Football). The only people who will make money on this NCAA law suit for the "unpaid" athletes will be the lawyers.
Unions are not inherently bad. As you posted earlier, during the early days of the industrialization of the USA they were necessary and did provide all of the perks everyone, not just union employees, enjoys. For that we owe them thanks and gratitude. However, today, a lot of unions serve to protect the poor performing and line the pockets of the union overhead. I've seen it first hand that a union employee cannot be fired for being bad at his job. He can only be fired for sexual harassment or grievous endangerment of himself or others.
Unions are not inherently bad. As you posted earlier, during the early days of the industrialization of the USA they were necessary and did provide all of the perks everyone, not just union employees, enjoys. For that we owe them thanks and gratitude. However, today, a lot of unions serve to protect the poor performing and line the pockets of the union overhead. I've seen it first hand that a union employee cannot be fired for being bad at his job. He can only be fired for sexual harassment or grievous endangerment of himself or others.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 6:43 am to EA6B
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You can have a bazillion dollars but without workers to hire it is useless.
If I have no money how many workers do you think I can hire? Why do union shills always lack even a 5th grade understanding of markets?
You can work a farm without capital. You can't eat money.
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."
- Abraham Lincoln
Posted on 1/3/17 at 6:46 am to 5thTiger
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Unions have been fricking the working man for decades? Really? Increased wages and substantially better working conditions are bad?
These people have been programmed to work against their own best interests.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Tough shite. They've been fricking the working man for decades.
"All but forgotten is the fact that our nation's extraordinary prosperity from the end of World War II to the 1970s was in significant part the result of union contracts that, in words the right wing hated Barack Obama for saying in 2008, "spread the wealth around." A broad middle class with spending power to keep the economy moving created a virtuous cycle of low joblessness and high wages.
Between 1966 and 1970, as Gerald Seib pointed out last week in the Wall Street Journal, the United States enjoyed an astonishing 48 straight months in which the unemployment rate was at or below 4 percent. No, the unions didn't do all this by themselves. But they were important co-authors of a social contract that made our country fairer, richer and more productive."
LINK
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:28 am to reverendotis
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I'll introduce you to two excellent hands that we've hired away from union employment at what most on the outside would have considered a very desirable job.
They can tell you how awesome it is to get passed over for promotions and the coinciding raises while lazy, entrenched frickheads with seniority sit back and lap up the gravy.
They're too stupid to know that was for their own good.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:41 am to Bestbank Tiger
When I explain your theory to them, I want to make sure I get it right so for clarity:
They were too stupid to realize that making less money than they make now was somehow better for them?
Clearly they benefitted being stuck in line behind lazy fricks simply because they lack seniority?
They were too stupid to realize that making less money than they make now was somehow better for them?
Clearly they benefitted being stuck in line behind lazy fricks simply because they lack seniority?
Posted on 1/3/17 at 10:00 am to WhiskeyPapa
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You can work a farm without capital. You can't eat money.
My grandfather farmed and plowed with a mule, the land, the mule, the plow, the seed he planted, were paid for with capital.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 10:09 am to EA6B
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You can work a farm without capital. You can't eat money.
My grandfather farmed and plowed with a mule, the land, the mule, the plow, the seed he planted, were paid for with capital.
I think labor predated your grandfather.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 10:19 am to 5thTiger
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People also forget to mention that when people DON'T join the union...the union is still LEGALLY OBLIGATED to cover the non-members expenses, etc (all the benefits of membership).
Billy decides he doesn't want to be a part of the union, and Billy sucks and gets hurt at work. The Union (and all its members) get butt fricked by Billy without him even being a member.
I find that hard to believe. Can you point me somewhere that substantiates this?
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 10:53 am
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