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re: Could the Republican party's problem be that Americans are getting poorer?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 7:02 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 9/2/14 at 7:02 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
No, their main problem is their own lack of spine to adhere to any priciples and the secondary problem is Americans are getting dumber more than poorer.
I do mean dumber, not just more ignorant. Stupid people breed more.
I do mean dumber, not just more ignorant. Stupid people breed more.
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Posted on 9/2/14 at 8:38 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
In order to survive, political parties have to constantly adjust their platform. That's just the way it is in a 2 party system. The GOP is currently fighting a civil war over this very concept. They will either broaden their appeal (become more friendly to AAs/Hispanics, drop opposition to gay marriage, etc.) or go the way of the whigs.
The funny thing is: Republicans like to talk about how they are for small government, but when is the last time they cut anything of substance? It was 40 years ago, and even then they cut discretionary spending but they increased defense spending - so it was basically a wash.
So if republicans aren't very good a keeping the government small, what issue does that leave them with? Cutting taxes; which effects the poor the least and the wealthy the most....so .....yeah, there you have it.
The funny thing is: Republicans like to talk about how they are for small government, but when is the last time they cut anything of substance? It was 40 years ago, and even then they cut discretionary spending but they increased defense spending - so it was basically a wash.
So if republicans aren't very good a keeping the government small, what issue does that leave them with? Cutting taxes; which effects the poor the least and the wealthy the most....so .....yeah, there you have it.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 8:58 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Democrats benefit from a poor America, they want you to be poor. Their only answer is to throw assistance money at the poor and claim they are compassionate and they can't get by without Democrats in office.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:17 am to a want
quote:This is an odd statement considering how often republicans are demonized for deregulating business and letting industry crush the worker, and how often they are accused if throwing grandma off a cliff.
Republicans like to talk about how they are for small government, but when is the last time they cut anything of substance?
quote:You're off by a few decades. The 94 congress made significant I rides in reducing budget baselines and deregulation (see broadcasting and banking for examples). And for the record GWB attempted the greatest coup yet, by trying to allow limited privatization of Social Security.
It was 40 years ago
Posted on 9/2/14 at 9:55 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Republicans have fought for workers' rights once in recent history and that was to "protect" them from unions.
So, I can see how the PR job may be falling short.
So, I can see how the PR job may be falling short.
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 9:56 am
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:00 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
If slowing down gov spending (compared to Bush and early Obama) is what is making us poorer, then we are fricked more than a cheap hooker on mardi gras
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:41 am to deltaland
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Republicans are pro business and that includes small business, but the media paints pro business as pro corporation instead of pro Main Street
Small business is very happy to free-ride off of government and seek other non-free-market economic rents.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:48 am to a want
quote:
In order to survive, political parties have to constantly adjust their platform. That's just the way it is in a 2 party system. The GOP is currently fighting a civil war over this very concept. They will either broaden their appeal (become more friendly to AAs/Hispanics, drop opposition to gay marriage, etc.) or go the way of the whigs.
The funny thing is: Republicans like to talk about how they are for small government, but when is the last time they cut anything of substance? It was 40 years ago, and even then they cut discretionary spending but they increased defense spending - so it was basically a wash.
So if republicans aren't very good a keeping the government small, what issue does that leave them with? Cutting taxes; which effects the poor the least and the wealthy the most....so .....yeah, there you have it.
well said.
The republicans used to at least appear to try to lobby for the common man (reagan for instance). They have completely dropped that appearance as of late.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:55 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Just yesterday I read a story about the "glasses crisis" in this country and how millions of Americans are going without prescription glasses because they cannot afford them. This "affordability" crisis is literally extended to every good (even tampons). You would never see stories like this in earlier times.
People used to work instead of getting checks. Moms and dads would work and some worked two jobs each. Now it is, get a check. Black and white folks are all doing it.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:59 am to Hawkeye95
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The republicans used to at least appear to try to lobby for the common man (reagan for instance). They have completely dropped that appearance as of late.
The mantra from the other side of the aisle has been to ridicule the Republicans and make them the enemy and folks are eager to eat this up. It is due to the 'us against them' syndrome, even though, the perception of it being the Republicans, is falsely asserted.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 11:19 am to themunch
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The mantra from the other side of the aisle has been to ridicule the Republicans and make them the enemy and folks are eager to eat this up. It is due to the 'us against them' syndrome, even though, the perception of it being the Republicans, is falsely asserted.
this may be true but the republicans do not help their cause with things like the ryan budget. the ryan budget has some merit but its clearly cutting at the expense of the every man.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 11:32 am to Hawkeye95
quote:The definition of being an advocate for the "common man" has changed drastically since Reagan. In Reagan's day... Lobbying for the "common man" meant lower taxes. (The middle class pays far less taxes today).
The republicans used to at least appear to try to lobby for the common man (reagan for instance).
Today being an advocate for the "common man" means passing out gimmies taken from their neighbors.
It's a massive difference. From "leave me alone" to "give me summin mister".
Posted on 9/2/14 at 11:34 am to Hawkeye95
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the ryan budget has some merit but its clearly cutting at the expense of the every man.
how so?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 11:34 am to Hawkeye95
quote:Silly. If anything it's an indication that the "common man" has been far more dependent on government. Don't want to be a victim of budget cuts? Easy. Don't be dependent on government gimmies.
the ryan budget has some merit but its clearly cutting at the expense of the every man.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 11:39 am to Taxing Authority
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The definition of being an advocate for the "common man" has changed drastically since Reagan. In Reagan's day... Lobbying for the "common man" meant lower taxes. (The middle class pays far less taxes today).
Today being an advocate for the "common man" means passing out gimmies taken from their neighbors.
It's a massive difference. From "leave me alone" to "give me summin mister".
I think it has to do with tone and tenor more than anything else. I do not believe the republican policies are that drastically different to tell you the truth. They just do a shite job messaging those points.
Reagan attempted to communicate with the every man, where as you have romney saying shite about the 47%.
Its a fixable problem but some on the right don't even notice they have a problem communicating with the middle.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 11:57 am to NC_Tigah
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At the same time we pay less for essentials such as food.
Hmmm......Where is the data from that food chart sourced from? Only reason why I ask is I used to use an online grocer when I lived in NYC and the per-unit cost for everything except protein (fish, chicken, beef) has gone up by 60% between 2007 - 2013 Anecdotal, and localized to NY City). Completely contrary to what I read in the papers due to the rising cost of feed, BTW, but that is what I noticed.
That being said, you can't use the quality argument, only the quantity argument.
Of course cars, TV's, sound systems etc.; are better, they were better in 1984 than they were in 1950 - technology is always improving.
Houses are bigger, but somehow my house at 2600 sq feet is about the same size as the house I grew up in during the 70's and 80's. Maybe that's just the neighborhood I grew up in.....
I would argue that Nikes are less expensive. I can remember Air Jordans and Reebok Pumps going for $150 / pair in the 80's.
Just my 0.02
Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:20 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Fully agree. That was the point.
I do not believe the republican policies are that drastically different to tell you the truth.
quote:Indeed. But it's inevitable. As a direct result of the Reagan and Bush tax cuts... The "middle class" pays no income tax at all. Tough to sell tax cuts to someone that pays no taxes. In essence, they've destroyed their own market. Unfortunately in this case doing the right thing != political success.
Reagan attempted to communicate with the every man, where as you have romney saying shite about the 47%.
quote:To be fair... Their opposition has a little help in distorting their position via the propaganda machine.
Its a fixable problem but some on the right don't even notice they have a problem communicating with the middle.
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:28 pm to Taxing Authority
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Indeed. But it's inevitable. As a direct result of the Reagan and Bush tax cuts... The "middle class" pays no income tax at all. Tough to sell tax cuts to someone that pays no taxes. In essence, they've destroyed their own market. Unfortunately in this case doing the right thing != political success.
reality is lower income people vote a lot less than higher incomes, so its really is the middle, and they definitely pay taxes, granted much of it is in payroll taxes but that is still a hefty chunk.
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To be fair... Their opposition has a little help in distorting their position via the propaganda machine.
its a poor salesman that uses his competition as an excuse for his inability to sell his product.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:07 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Aye. But they bloc vote. Big difference.
reality is lower income people vote a lot less than higher incomes,
quote:Payroll tax is 7.65%
so its really is the middle, and they definitely pay taxes, granted much of it is in payroll taxes but that is still a hefty chunk
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its a poor salesman that uses his competition as an excuse for his inability to sell his product.
and it's a fool that ignore the reality of the marketplace. 
Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:10 pm to Taxing Authority
This is a massive fallacy, yes wealth has become more concentrated, and yes the average income of the middle class relative to that of the top 5% or so has been in decline since the 1970s but overall income has steadily risen for decades.
Now, there is a student loan crisis-- simply because college costs too much and literally every job outside of skilled labor requires a Bachelor's at this point which will cause some serious issues when Boomer's start to die off and millennials and Gen Xers can't buy up the housing stock due to crappy credit from bad student loans things will tank a bit .
Its a lot like the "violent crime" fallacy where people believe crime is a major issue but don't realize that actual incidences of violent crime have fallen pretty steadily from the late 80s through today.
Now, there is a student loan crisis-- simply because college costs too much and literally every job outside of skilled labor requires a Bachelor's at this point which will cause some serious issues when Boomer's start to die off and millennials and Gen Xers can't buy up the housing stock due to crappy credit from bad student loans things will tank a bit .
Its a lot like the "violent crime" fallacy where people believe crime is a major issue but don't realize that actual incidences of violent crime have fallen pretty steadily from the late 80s through today.
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 2:18 pm
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