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re: Common Sense: No Gun Law would prevent Gun Violence
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:40 pm to bonhoeffer45
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:40 pm to bonhoeffer45
No.
Answer my questions first.
Answer my questions first.
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:45 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Not a single thing you listed is a requirement to possess a vehicle. Not one.
BamaAtl tried this once. It didn't go well.
This is in response to the claim that I should be concerned with vehicular fatalities. This is not me trying to make a 1 for 1 comparison, keep up!
We are as a nation concerned about the danger vehicles have, and as a result we have implemented regulations, licensing, operational requirements and investments in an attempt to improve the safety of vehicles and reduce their danger to society. Through such measures like the above, we have managed to steadily decrease the fatality rate notably. And we continue to seek ways to further improve upon that.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:47 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Like stop crippling the ATF's National Tracing Center with stupid laws like forbidding the only national facility to help local officers trace and solve gun crimes from using computers or any searchable database of any kind
It is like that for a reason. So that there is no gun registry.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:49 pm to bonhoeffer45
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This is in response to the claim that I should be concerned with vehicular fatalities. This is not me trying to make a 1 for 1 comparison, keep up!
That's irrelevant. You still made the points. They were still flawed.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:50 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Intersting how compassionate conservatives seemingly could give a shite about the enormous issue of suicides in this country
We would rather worry about the real problems. We know that the gun didn’t convince the person to commit suicide.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:52 pm to beerJeep
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Know what would eliminate a vast majority of vehicle deaths? Ban any vehicle that exceeds 30 mph.
You don't Need to go fast. You don't Need to drive an unsafe speed. You don't Need 300 hp.
Sure, it would help, does that mean you are admitting that extremely strict gun control would eliminate a vast majority of gun related deaths?
Seems you are indirectly making the left's argument for them.
Except if you would back up, I am not suggesting shite on that level, I'm suggesting that instead of unrealistic, overly burdensome regulations, or draconian demands that will never gain wide public support, we focus on tweaking the current laws to improve efficiency to help law enforcements ability to keep more of the bad guys with guns behind bars, and better ensure we are giving guns to the good guys. While making their jobs a little bit safer in the process by trying to improve that situation.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:54 pm to Rougarou13
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We would rather worry about the real problems. We know that the gun didn’t convince the person to commit suicide.
Guns in the hands of the mentally depressed, suicidal person, make it a lot less likely there will ever be a second chance to help after that first attempt.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:55 pm to bonhoeffer45
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to help law enforcements ability to keep more of the bad guys with guns behind bars,
So increase jail time for people found with illegal guns or felons with guns?
I agree. That would put a hamper on the inner city violence to a small degree
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:56 pm to bonhoeffer45
Don’t strawman me. Guns are inanimate. And people are free to do as they please. You consider yourself compassionate? You are the one campaigning to water down free will.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 10:58 pm to texag7
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increase jail time for people found with illegal guns or felons with guns
It would also perpetuate the crisis of single parent households in the inner cities. Only serving to compound issues down the road.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:00 pm to texag7
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So increase jail time for people found with illegal guns or felons with guns?
I agree. That would put a hamper on the inner city violence to a small degree
More like helping those law enforcement officers better identify and solve those gun crimes in the first place, shut down the gun trafficking networks that supply those inner cities, identify and trace those gun dealers and sellers that are not following protocols, and make larger dents in the criminal gun crime in this country. Helping improve the safety of those people that serve the public protecting us.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:00 pm to bonhoeffer45
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tweaking the current laws to improve efficiency
There is no crystal ball. If a person can pass a background check, them they can get a firearm. What else would you suppose they do in an effort to thwart a person’s future actions of which we know nothing?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:01 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Guns in the hands of the mentally depressed, suicidal person, make it a lot less likely there will ever be a second chance to help after that first attempt.
What's your solution? I've never heard a good one, but maybe you're different.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:05 pm to Rougarou13
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Don’t strawman me. Guns are inanimate. And people are free to do as they please. You consider yourself compassionate? You are the one campaigning to water down free will.
I mean if you want to take the position that we shouldn't intervene at all in trying to prevent mentally disturbed or suicidal people from acquiring firearms, just own that.
But don't get all upset and moody when people point out what doing that leads to.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:21 pm to bonhoeffer45
I’m saying that you blaming guns in the hands of suicidal people as a horrendous pitfall is erroneous. You cannot forcibly treat this person. So the alternative is to strip them is a constitutional right?
Tragedies occur. It is inevitable. Blaming the tools used instead of denouncing the one who wields that tool is unsound.
Tragedies occur. It is inevitable. Blaming the tools used instead of denouncing the one who wields that tool is unsound.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:22 pm to bonhoeffer45
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mean if you want to take the position that we shouldn't intervene at all in trying to prevent mentally disturbed or suicidal people from acquiring firearms, just own that.
So if Tommy is depressed, when can be buy a gun again?
A year later? 5 years? 10? Never?
You see, the problem with that is people whom own guns or hunt or have any desire to hunt will just forego treatment for depression etc if it means they will have to give up their guns or forego the ability to purchase more
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:35 pm to Bamafan24
As a moderate/liberal it depresses me to say that there is nothong we can do to stop these mass murders. With something like 300 million guns in circulation, that horse is out of the barn. We are a violent society and these things will continue to happen.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:37 pm to beerJeep
I love to hear from you I'm as conservative as anyone but want common sense gun laws morons.
First thing is that you are not a conservative and secondly, thanks for pointing out who actually is guardian of our Republic and Constitution.
We appreciate that you notice.
First thing is that you are not a conservative and secondly, thanks for pointing out who actually is guardian of our Republic and Constitution.
We appreciate that you notice.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:38 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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What's your solution? I've never heard a good one, but maybe you're different.
Define solution?
As long as guns can be accessed, and make no mistake, America is not ever giving up its guns whole cloth, you will have gun suicides. So elimination is not possible.
Now, there are plenty of policies and studies that have demonstrated success at reducing suicide rates and gun suicide rates by reducing access and proliferation of guns at large. Or have shown statistically significant drops in suicides be reducing the supply and increasing the barriers to access guns, or by increasing the scrutiny under which they can be owned and maintained. Which by all your responses would be beyond the pale for you. So if the answer is "no" to any policy that would increase the probability of preventing a person from acquiring a gun, nothing is going to satisfy you. Especially given you found my relatively minor tweak to the current law enforcement system beyond the pale as well. So I would presume something like requiring all private sellers and buyers to complete the background check process and adhere to waiting period stipulations ridiculous.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:39 pm to GulfstreamTiger
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I love to hear from you I'm as conservative as anyone but want common sense gun laws morons.
Punctuation. Moron.
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First thing is that you are not a conservative and secondly, thanks for pointing out who actually is guardian of our Republic and Constitution.
Que?
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