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Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:04 pm to Janky
Well that's news to Comey, the person who was ordered to stop the Flynn investigation.
quote:
"I took it as a direction," Comey told the Senate hearing Thursday. "I mean, this is a president of the United States with me alone saying, 'I hope this.' I took it as, this is what he wants me to do. I didn't obey that, but that's the way I took it."
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:07 pm to VOLhalla
That's funny, because the words out of his mouth today was that he wasn't ordered to stop.
RISCH: Thank you. All right. So those three things we now know regarding the active measures, whether the president is under investigation and the collusion between the trump campaign and the Russians. I want to drill right down, as my time is limited, to the most recent dust up regarding allegations that the president of the United States obstructed justice. Boy, you nailed this down on page 5, paragraph 3. You put this in quotes. Words matter. You wrote down the words so we can all have the words in front of us now. There's 28 words now in quotes. It says, quote, I hope -- this is the president speaking -- I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is good guy. I hope you can let this go. Now, those are his exact words, is that correct.
COMEY: Correct.
RISCH: You wrote them here and put them in quotes.
COMEY: Correct.
RISCH: Thank you for that. He did not direct you to let it go?
COMEY: Not in his words, no.
RISCH: He did not order you to let it go?
COMEY: Again, those words are not an order.
RISCH: Thank you. All right. So those three things we now know regarding the active measures, whether the president is under investigation and the collusion between the trump campaign and the Russians. I want to drill right down, as my time is limited, to the most recent dust up regarding allegations that the president of the United States obstructed justice. Boy, you nailed this down on page 5, paragraph 3. You put this in quotes. Words matter. You wrote down the words so we can all have the words in front of us now. There's 28 words now in quotes. It says, quote, I hope -- this is the president speaking -- I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is good guy. I hope you can let this go. Now, those are his exact words, is that correct.
COMEY: Correct.
RISCH: You wrote them here and put them in quotes.
COMEY: Correct.
RISCH: Thank you for that. He did not direct you to let it go?
COMEY: Not in his words, no.
RISCH: He did not order you to let it go?
COMEY: Again, those words are not an order.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:10 pm to Salmon
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Salmon
You are scrambling so desperately to get something on Trump. You need to "let it go".
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:11 pm to Janky
Dude, it's pretty clear that what Comey was saying is that Trump's words, devoid of context, don't look like an order but when you look in context it was an order.
The President cleared the room and told him he hoped Comey could end an investigation. A lot of Trump supporters on this board are really stretching to say that isn't an order
Which is why Comey testified that he took it as an order
The President cleared the room and told him he hoped Comey could end an investigation. A lot of Trump supporters on this board are really stretching to say that isn't an order
Which is why Comey testified that he took it as an order
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:13 pm to VOLhalla
quote:
Which is why Comey testified that he took it as an order
COMEY: Again, those words are not an order.
I don't know, but I am getting dumber arguing with you. I am done.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:15 pm to Janky
Comey said that Trump's words alone aren't an order, but that Trump's words in context were.
Not hard to comprehend
Not hard to comprehend
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:17 pm to Janky
quote:
Responding to a question from Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., who asked if he considered it a "order" to drop the investigation, Comey said yes.
From my link
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:19 pm to VOLhalla
He didn't, but Even if he did order it....so what?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:21 pm to BBONDS25
Well, one of Articles of Impeachment the House drew up against Nixon was impeding an FBI investigation so I think it's at least worth a mention
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:36 pm to VOLhalla
The FBI investigation was included with three other investigations in the same allegation. The other three investigations are covered under 1505. In fact...let's stick with the Nixon case...since you dems love to bring this up so much lately.
This is dicta from the SCOTUS decision Nixon vs United States:
"the Executive Branch has exclusive authority and absolute discretion to decide whether to prosecute a case"
94 S.Ct. 3090 at 3100
But back to the FBI investigation issue. You don't have to believe me. Let me point you to the US attorney manual:
United States Attorney Criminal Resource Manual:
"However, investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) are not section 1505 proceedings. United States v. Higgins, 511 F. Supp. 453, 455-56 (W.D. Ky. 1981); see also United States v. Scoratow, 137 F. Supp. 620, 621-22 (W.D. Pa. 1956) (FBI investigation is not a 18 U.S.C. § 1503 "proceeding"). But cf. 18 U.S.C. §§ 1510 and 1512(b)(3), (c)(2)."
You were saying?
This is dicta from the SCOTUS decision Nixon vs United States:
"the Executive Branch has exclusive authority and absolute discretion to decide whether to prosecute a case"
94 S.Ct. 3090 at 3100
But back to the FBI investigation issue. You don't have to believe me. Let me point you to the US attorney manual:
United States Attorney Criminal Resource Manual:
"However, investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) are not section 1505 proceedings. United States v. Higgins, 511 F. Supp. 453, 455-56 (W.D. Ky. 1981); see also United States v. Scoratow, 137 F. Supp. 620, 621-22 (W.D. Pa. 1956) (FBI investigation is not a 18 U.S.C. § 1503 "proceeding"). But cf. 18 U.S.C. §§ 1510 and 1512(b)(3), (c)(2)."
You were saying?
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:41 pm to BugAC
quote:
You are scrambling so desperately to get something on Trump. You need to "let it go".
link?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:41 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
United States v. Higgins
Can we leave Clay out of this?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:46 pm to BBONDS25
Well, the presence of the counter-intelligence investigation actually complicates things and could open up 1505. There's also a grand-jury investigation of Flynn so any attempt to impede that could be an entirely different obstruction charge. I'll leave that debate up to attorneys with more time than me.
But ultimately whether what Trump did actually constitutes an obstruction charge doesn't matter. The President can't be charged with a crime and the only method of punishment - impeachment - is a political issue not a legal one. Congress needs to cite no statute to remove a President.
But ultimately whether what Trump did actually constitutes an obstruction charge doesn't matter. The President can't be charged with a crime and the only method of punishment - impeachment - is a political issue not a legal one. Congress needs to cite no statute to remove a President.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:51 pm to VOLhalla
There is absolutely zero precedent for the counter intelligence argument. It is a Hail Mary recently proposed with no basis in law. If that is what you are hanging your hat on, this will be a rough road for you.
While true impeachment doesn't require conviction of a crime...good luck getting two thirds of the senate to convict absent one.
What, in your opinion, are the odds of conviction of impeachment?
While true impeachment doesn't require conviction of a crime...good luck getting two thirds of the senate to convict absent one.
What, in your opinion, are the odds of conviction of impeachment?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:52 pm to MButterfly
It will never end.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:53 pm to MButterfly
I guess it boils down to Trump's "intent."
Life's a bitch ain't it libtards?
Life's a bitch ain't it libtards?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:55 pm to BBONDS25
Im not hanging my hat on the President being charged with any crime because he's the President and can't be charged with any crime while in office
But I'm happy that public discourse is now at a point where Trumpkins are gidy that they can argue that the President may technically be not commiting obstruction of justice. I'm sure that's helping his political capital
And there's 0% chance that this alone leads to impeachment.
But I'm happy that public discourse is now at a point where Trumpkins are gidy that they can argue that the President may technically be not commiting obstruction of justice. I'm sure that's helping his political capital
And there's 0% chance that this alone leads to impeachment.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:05 pm to VOLhalla
I'm not giddy at all. I just am amazed the masses on the left, including you, keep screaming "obstruction" when it is an impossibility. I thought it was ignorance....but clearly you aren't ignorant of the rule. Yet here you are. So it is basically either ignorance or as in your case being disingenuous.
Yet you are here and claim trump supporters are giddy he can't be accused of a crime. Its pretty pathetic.
Yet you are here and claim trump supporters are giddy he can't be accused of a crime. Its pretty pathetic.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 3:38 pm to BBONDS25
Trump supporters aren't giddy that he can't be charged with a crime. They (you particularly) seem to be tripping over yourself to post in thread after thread that what Trump did is technically not a crime because this investigation may not fall within the 1505 parameters, totally ignorant that:
A) he's the President so he can't be charged either way
B) simply having that argument hurts Trump politically.
By all means shout to the heavens about Trump technically being able to impede investigations into Michael Flynn or Russia. It's doing wonders for his ability to pass his agenda
A) he's the President so he can't be charged either way
B) simply having that argument hurts Trump politically.
By all means shout to the heavens about Trump technically being able to impede investigations into Michael Flynn or Russia. It's doing wonders for his ability to pass his agenda
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