re: College expels "rapist" for having consensual sex

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And you can tell all that from reading a thread someone posted online?

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You obv didn't read the article.

Pffft...If he bought her any of those drinks...she OWED him some sex.

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I hate this term...there is no "rape culture". Do rapes sometimes occur on college campuses? Yes. But there is not tacit or unspoken culture amongst young men condoning the rape of women. It's absurd on its face.

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its not just colleges fwiw. Its mainstream society. If you need to get a girl wasted to get her to have sex with you (and we know this happens on college campuses and elsewhere), its rape. It was deemed completely acceptable 20 years ago, hell my grandfather taught me candy is dandy but liquor is quicker. But times have changed.

Anyway, this isn't rape culture. They planned to have sex, they had sex. nothing to look at here.

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If you need to get a girl wasted to get her to have sex with you (and we know this happens on college campuses and elsewhere), its rape.

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I feel like even this is overstating it a bit. There are plenty of girls that get drunk for the purpose of having sex without facing the guilt of their decision, "I'm not a slut, I was just drunk".

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I feel like even this is overstating it a bit. There are plenty of girls that get drunk for the purpose of having sex without facing the guilt of their decision, "I'm not a slut, I was just drunk".

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It's a game. Girls play it too. If men have been boozing up women for sex for 100 years, they have no excuse for participating anymore.

How often does a college girl stumble to a party not knowing that the male mission is to get drunk, have fun and get laid? If this is news to females, the plight of American women is worse than I thought.

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sure, women do it too. And hell women can sexually assault men the same way. I know a girl got me drunk once so I would have sex with her (a tad on the chubby side). It was good sex though.

But anyway, just b.c a scam has been a scam for a long time doesn't mean its stop working. Have you ever dealt with teenage girls (or boys)? their critical reasoning skills aren't very good, especially when it comes to sex.

I personally blame parents for the bulk of it. They need to teach their children to be cautious around sex and alcohol.

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But anyway, just b.c a scam has been a scam for a long time doesn't mean its stop working. Have you ever dealt with teenage girls (or boys)? their critical reasoning skills aren't very good, especially when it comes to sex.

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I don't have a problem recognizing that men are generally the "predators" and women are the "prey" in how sex in society works. I do have a problem when that analogy is considered reality, in that the societal norm of men pursuing women, which is pretty much how things have always been, is now considered violent brutality.

Women want to be pursued. Men want to pursue them. Most women want to act like the gender role assigned to women. Most men want to act like the "social construct" for masculinity.

We're letting the loudest exceptions to the rule make the rules these days, and it is just totally screwing up social dynamics and how we view each other.

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If you ever got drunk with a girl in college and then had consensual sex with her you are a "rapist"....Awesome. I think this really does qualify as a "Thanks Obama!".

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It has been this way in the military for years.

There is a message that if you drink, you cannot consent to anything.

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Is it the official stance of the right wing that drunken college boys deserve due process before being treated as a criminal - but members of the U.S. military do not? That's what I've gathered from this thread and others over the past few days

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Article 85 - Desertion

“(a) Any member of the armed forces who—

(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently;
(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service

In his letter:

Article 90 - Willfully disobeying a senior commissioned officer (standing guard orders)

Article 92 - Failure to obey order or regulation

Article 104 - Aiding the enemy

Article 105 - Misconduct as a prisoner

Article 113 - Misbehavior of sentinel on lookout

Article 134-12 - Disloyal Statements

The military has its own set of laws that others are not held to.

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I don't have a problem recognizing that men are generally the "predators" and women are the "prey" in how sex in society works. I do have a problem when that analogy is considered reality, in that the societal norm of men pursuing women, which is pretty much how things have always been, is now considered violent brutality.

Women want to be pursued. Men want to pursue them. Most women want to act like the gender role assigned to women. Most men want to act like the "social construct" for masculinity.

We're letting the loudest exceptions to the rule make the rules these days, and it is just totally screwing up social dynamics and how we view each other.

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I definitely think this has gone a little too far. The culture is shifting, its probably gone a little overboard. It will shift back in time.

But I think in the end, men will be better off if woman initiate relationships more, which is the natural outcome here.

I am just glad I am not a college student now. With the job market and shite like this, its liek they are sucking the fun out of being a carefree college student.