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Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:30 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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All I'm saying is if these schools just completely stop taking these kids who normally wouldn't be qualified there will be claims of racism.
Not saying it's right but once you start letting people slide it's very hard to stop when the people are minorities in the media climate we live in currently bc you will be labeled as a racist
I hope this doesn't sound racist as that isn't what I'm trying to say
No, I understand what you are saying and for a lot of minorities a scholie is the way out. BUT, if you are going to hold the common student up to certain academic standards then athletes need to be held to that same standard. FAR FAR too many slide by and that falls directly on the institutions that let them in.
shite like this:
Battle's End
still happen all too frequently at universities.
Years after the young Caroline Alexander--just back from Oxford--tutored a group of Florida State football players, all from poor black families, she sought them out to discover what it had been like for them as scholarship athletes and what had become of them. This book provides a unique revelation of the black experience in America, as seen through the aspirations of these talented kids.
It's a short and very good read that gets into what became of all those football stars from the early 80s (when I attended Florida State).
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:31 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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Then how do you respond to the resulting claims of racism bc big time CFB teams are not signing underprivilaged blacks who have suffered in part bc of a poor education system?
Once again, if an institution is going to hold the general student population to certain standards, then it must hold it's athletes to the same standards.
You guys bitch to high heaven if the fire department lowers its standards to get more "female" firefighters on the job. This is no different.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It would totally change college football as it stands but probably needs to be done. No one is actually buying the "student athlete" myth anymore.
Completely.
Maybe Amateur athletics would once again return to that as opposed to this glorified professional football minor league we see today.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:34 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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quote:There are anecdotes of student athletes who do succeed. Christine Simatacolos, the associate athletics director for student life at the University of Louisville in Kentucky, talks of a student whose low scores fell below the college literacy threshold but who graduated from Louisiana State University and is now in medical school. I don't believe anyone can graduate from high school reading at a 4th grade level, matriculate at LSU while being a varsity athlete and then get into a legitimate medical school based upon your academic abilities. The medical school should be investigated.
yeah there is no way someone with a 4th grade reading level could do well on the mcat. it could be one of those carribean or mexican schools that don't require the mcat.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:34 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Then the state would have to pony up the money the athletic department no longer brings in.
Few athletic depts make money. Some football and few basketball programs do make money but they support dozens of non revenue sports.
I love college football and it's by far my favorite sport, but it's really gotten out of hand. Most schools have academic waivers for student athletes, and the academic help most get in college goes far beyond what the average student gets.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I love college football and it's by far my favorite sport, but it's really gotten out of hand. Most schools have academic waivers for student athletes, and the academic help most get in college goes far beyond what the average student gets.
yup, i have said this for years (and seen it up close) it's a sad state of affairs.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:39 pm to asurob1
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Most athletics departments lose money.
This is true for a number of reasons, most of which won't go away by raising entry requirements. Title IX costs a lot of money and doesn't generate enough to break even. Why offer those sports then? There isn't an academic purpose for a women's softball team. Why should the state pay for a program that offers no academic value? They would have to go, as well, if money generating sports were killed.
Eta - I absolutely agree that it needs to be changed. I just know that La wouldn't put up the.money for academics that the LSU AD brings in
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:45 pm to LSUGrrrl
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This is true for a number of reasons, most of which won't go away by raising entry requirements. Title IX costs a lot of money and doesn't generate enough to break even. Why offer those sports then? There isn't an academic purpose for a women's softball team. Why should the state pay for a program that offers no academic value? They would have to go, as well, if money generating sports were killed.
You offer women's softball for the EXACT same reason you offer men's football. Access to the classroom for athletes who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford it.
There is no academic purpose to softball OR football.
Title IX addressed the playing field for female athletes allowing them the same privilege as the men. The ability to earn a schollie to pay for school.
Further, universities shouldn't be paying any money for things like weight rooms, training facilities etc etc etc. That gets well away from the mission from any university and if they are paying these things...then every student on campus should have access to these facilities...clearly they do not ;-).
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:46 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Eta - I absolutely agree that it needs to be changed. I just know that La wouldn't put up the.money for academics that the LSU AD brings in
And they shouldn't.
Athletic departments should be living within their means.
The fact that taxpayer dollars pick up the shortfalls should be criminal.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:01 am to asurob1
The role of government in sports has gotten out-of-control. Buddy of mine says LSU football is privatized and totally separate. It's these people that perplex me. What is LSU football without the university, the students, the alumni, the location, and the history?
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 12:24 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:09 am to Asgard Device
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The role of government in sports has either gotten out-of-control. Buddy of mine says LSU football is privatized and totally separate. It's these people that perplex me. What is LSU football without the university, the students, the alumni, the location, and the history?
Nothing.
All you have to do is look at Texas and see just how crazy it is.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:39 am to asurob1
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Maybe Amateur athletics would once again return to that as opposed to this glorified professional football minor league we see today.
It would, and we would all stop watching. I say it over and over every time this subject comes up, but the model you are talking about already exists: It's called Division III. Major athletic programs have already done as you suggest; I'm sure you'd have no problems getting tickets to a University of Chicago or Sewanee football game.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:08 am to Revelator
Professional football would have to set up some type of minor league that is wholly separate from attending college. Then, those who only want to pursue a football career and aren't interested or qualified to attend college could opt out.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:20 am to TigerintheNO
I had a class with Nikita Wilson years ago, he scored a 7 out of 100 on the first test. I witnessed him being given a final exam made just for him in the 2nd floor hallway of Himes hall(History Dept.)
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:39 am to CITWTT
Perhaps Cecil The Diesel could tutor some of these young students???
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:58 am to SammyTiger
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How great would this have been from a big ten team.
Uh, it's an issue with the B1G teams too.
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They fricking love to talk about how smart their athletes are.
so do all conferences. Anyone who believes that is a complete idiot.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:00 am to asurob1
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The fact that taxpayer dollars pick up the shortfalls should be criminal.
Do away with title IX then. Do you honestly think LSU women's soccer or even women's basketball is self sufficient?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:00 am to cwill
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The NCAA and major college athletics are a fraud. The term student-athlete is a joke
Sadly, this.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:32 am to Revelator
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This is a problem, but I don't know how it can be remedied? Some of the best athletes come from the worse schools, families, backgrounds, etc. and have the poorest educations.
Enforce admission standards, get rid of the NCAA gimmicks used to make these kids fake-eligible....this will force the NFL to develope a minor league system like baseball...the NBA has one already...it will also end these ridiculous draft age rules.
And just get rid of the NCAA...should also solve the paying the athletes problem...I think college football would become like college baseball.
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