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re: Checking in on the “keep prayer out of school” crowd
Posted on 4/28/24 at 8:51 pm to RebelExpress38
Posted on 4/28/24 at 8:51 pm to RebelExpress38
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I noticed you didn’t link a single news story about Christians throwing gays off of roofs.
That’s a tough one. Though it’s part of the Christian religious tradition to throw gays off roofs, I could not find one. I’ve shown you and you seem to be ignoring the facts on the matter, making you an ignoramus.
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If Christianity is as violent and as awful as you interpret it to be, surely you can find one??
How about this one from last year?
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The 17-year-old charged with murder as a hate crime in the fatal stabbing of O’Shae Sibley, a Black gay man, is alleged to have taunted Sibley and yelled homophobic slurs before the attack, according to the criminal complaint.
The teenager, who was identified in the complaint as Dmitriy Popov, has been charged with second-degree murder as a hate crime and criminal possession of a weapon.
"I can tell you unequivocally, my client denies that," Pollard said. "He’s not Muslim."
Pollard said Popov is Christian and also denies having made anti-Black statements.
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TigerDroppings hall of fame for dumbest sentence I’ve read on here. Congrats on this accomplishment.
The proof is in the pudding - you are one of those Christian hypocrites who doesn’t follow your religious commandments and obviously don’t know anything of the contents of the Bible nor any middle eastern history.
You will feel vindicated because I can’t find a news article of a Christian throwing a queer off a building, despite me never claiming to have or know of such a thing in my first post to which you responded. The fact is your religion is just as violent as the Muslims but Christians tend to not be as stringent to following their religion because Christian have borrowed their morality from secular philosophy and tend to live in countries with better laws for protecting people from violence.
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Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:09 pm to Azkiger
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You must have missed this earlier post.
No I saw it. You're just wrong.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:10 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Was Christianity a Jewish-based religious offshoot. Was “Jesus” Jewish?
Youre a babbling idiot. When Christ was confronted with the adulteress, how did he say to handle her? Stone her? Cast the first stone?
Our religion is based on his teachings, not the Torah. Thats why we are called "Christians". And more specifically as Paul (who authored more of the new testament than any other) said;
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Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
And because Paul taught a non-Jewish belief system, this happened
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This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.
And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut. And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.
You dont know enough about the Bible and religious history to be commenting intelligently in these threads
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:10 pm to Squirrelmeister
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How about this one from last year?
Wait wait wait. You're equating some random guy stabbing some other random guy, illegally, and then being charged and tried for it, with legal killings of gay people in the Muslim world?
Are you a complete idiot?
ETA: If the USA was a Muslim nation, instead of a Christian one, that article would have been praising the guy for stabbing the "gay man."
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:21 pm to RebelExpress38
Communists have to seize means of production because they can’t create means of production
Atheists have to seize morality from Christianity because atheism can’t create morality from scratch
Atheists have to seize morality from Christianity because atheism can’t create morality from scratch
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:41 pm to Squirrelmeister
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That’s a tough one. Though it’s part of the Christian religious tradition to throw gays off roofs, I could not find one. I’ve shown you and you seem to be ignoring the facts on the matter, making you an ignoramus.
My dude, you claim Christianity is super violent like the Muslims yet you can’t produce evidence out of millions and millions of practicing Christians today demonstrating violence in the name of Jesus or God. Just admit your interpretation of Christianity is only in your head and not anywhere else in reality.
That news story is not even remotely the same as what we see in Muslim nations where they invoke Sharia law then use that law to throw gay people off buildings. You won’t see that in any Christian nation.
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The proof is in the pudding - you are one of those Christian hypocrites who doesn’t follow your religious commandments and obviously don’t know anything of the contents of the Bible nor any middle eastern history.
Nothing better than being talked down to by smug atheists who googled Christianity for 5 minutes and are now experts.
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Christian have borrowed their morality from secular philosophy and tend to live in countries with better laws for protecting people from violence.
And you have just removed all doubt you are a college freshman who has spent 5 minutes on google.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:43 pm to RobbBobb
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Youre a babbling idiot.
You forgot the apostrophe.
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When Christ was confronted with the adulteress, how did he say to handle her? Stone her? Cast the first stone?
Bad example man. Sucks for you, referring to a story that wasn’t in the original gospel of John. The consensus of scholars is that the story is a pseudepigraphal addition - a fake, in other words.
Wasn’t in the gospel
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Our religion is based on his teachings, not the Torah.
Ok now let me show you what is actually in the Bible.
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17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law (Torah) until all is accomplished. 19Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Sure, you can quote Paul, but each time you point to Paul’s teachings on disregarding the Law, you are contradicting the gospel of Matthew.
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You dont know enough about the Bible and religious history to be commenting intelligently in these threads
Why do you dumbass nut jobs get so offensive? It’s a shame that we can’t have an adult conversation. You must be low-IQ. You can’t even consistently use apostrophes.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:05 pm to RebelExpress38
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My dude, you claim Christianity is super violent like the Muslims yet you can’t produce evidence out of millions and millions of practicing Christians today demonstrating violence in the name of Jesus or God. Just admit your interpretation of Christianity is only in your head and not anywhere else in reality.
How’d we end up here. I was merely stating for those talking shite about Muslims to look at their own religion because it is just as violent, and how Muslims came from Christians who came from Jews. Oh yeah. And you are moving the goal posts each time I respond to you.
The religions are super violent. The people aren’t always, as is the case for most Christians in modern times who live in societies governed by secular laws derived from humanist ideas and Greek philosophy.
The Christians claim the Jewish history, so all the slaughtering of Canaanite, Jerichoan, and Midianite women, children, and babies is your claimed history. That includes the slaughtering of the Midianite virgin girls as an offering to your god. You have the crusades - for a thousand years the Christians were killing in the name of your god. Then they went around the world converting people and killing those that didn’t convert. Even recently the wars we’ve been in fighting the godless commies was in the name of your god.
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That news story is not even remotely the same as what we see in Muslim nations where they invoke Sharia law then use that law to throw gay people off buildings. You won’t see that in any Christian nation.
Precisely, because our governments and laws are not Christian in nature and do not borrow from the Christian “objective moral standard”.
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Nothing better than being talked down to by smug atheists who googled Christianity for 5 minutes and are now experts.
You guys get so defensive with your (weak and ignorant) insults. Why can’t we just have a conversation? It shows you’ve been on TD for 12 years… you must not get on this forum often. You’d know I’m not googling if you’d check my post history.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:11 pm to RebelExpress38
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The atheists who pretend this all would exist without Christian values
Christianity isn't original. "This" would all certainly exist without "Christian" values.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:24 pm to RebelExpress38
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Checking in on the “keep prayer out of school” crowd
This is (((D)))ifferent
Posted on 4/28/24 at 11:13 pm to imjustafatkid
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No I saw it. You're just wrong.
I didn't create or vote on that.
The first generation Americans did; unanimously, mind you. And I suspect they know better than you about America's origins considering the founding fathers were their fathers.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 11:49 pm to Squirrelmeister
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you are contradicting the gospel of Matthew.
Jeez dude, you just keep exposing your ignorance. The Apostle Matthew didnt write the book of Matthew. It was written anonymously by a Jew watching the story of Christ becoming dominated by Gentiles. It was a simply a response to that movement by a Jew-centric man who borrowed HEAVILY from the first testament written: the book of Mark. Matthew has 600 of 661 verses from Mark contained in its passages. Thats a bit much for it to be written from a fellow apostle recollecting his own thoughts, amirite?
And like I said its written to bring the religion back to its Jewish origins as seen in its very 1st passage: "The Book of Genealogy of Jesus Christ", deliberately echoing the words of Genesis 2:4 in the Septuagint: "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created"
So Matthew is the outlier here, not Paul
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Sucks for you, referring to a story that wasn’t in the original gospel of John.
Well, thats a lie. The Gospel of the Hebrews contained the story, and it was written sometime between 100-120AD. Papias, Bishop of Hierapolis, who included in his writings the story of Jesus and the adulteress around 95AD. His sources are well known to be John the apostle and the daughters of Philip
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not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law (Torah)
Youre incapable of understanding what you read. We are to follow the law. His death fulfilled the law. We are now saved by faith, grace. No longer by works. And therefore we are not to judge, by stoning or throwing people off the roof.
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Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Thats the difference in the Torah law, Sharia law, and the followers of Christ
Posted on 4/29/24 at 6:36 am to Squirrelmeister
you claim to know so much about Christianity yet you don’t even understand the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:43 am to RobbBobb
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Jeez dude, you just keep exposing your ignorance.
Oh? Let’s see it.
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The Apostle Matthew didnt write the book of Matthew. It was written anonymously by a Jew watching the story of Christ becoming dominated by Gentiles.
It seems as if you are building a straw man argument against nothing I’ve actually stated. I never stated I believe a real guy named “Mark” wrote the “Gospel of Mark”. What would expect anyone to call that piece of literature? “The gospel of the anonymous most-likely Greek-speaking Jew who wanted to rebuke Paul and redact the other gospel the church calls the gospel according to Mark”??? How about the “Gospel of Matthew” to make it easier on everyone to know which piece of literature is being discussed.
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It was a simply a response to that movement by a Jew-centric man who borrowed HEAVILY from the first testament written: the book of Mark
Oh? So you allege I’m ignorant for stating “the gospel of Matthew” but you are a Rhodes Scholar referring to the other writing as the “book of Mark”. Hey genius, the gospel of Mark was also an anonymous writing. And “Matthew” didn’t borrow heavily from “Mark”, but rather he copied, edited, and redacted “Mark” with the likely intention to create a more accurate or better version in the author’s opinion.
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And like I said its written to bring the religion back to its Jewish origins as seen in its very 1st passage: "The Book of Genealogy of Jesus Christ"
There are some on here who believed all the 4 canonical gospels are divinely inspired “god breathed” and are all 100% true. Anyone with half a brain though can see that the genealogies of Jesus in “Matthew” and “Luke” are very different - irreconcilably different. Which one, if either, would you argue is correct?
quote:quote:Well, thats a lie.
Sucks for you, referring to a story that wasn’t in the original gospel of John.
No, you are the liar, and a poor one at that. Anyone can do 5 minutes of their own research and they can see that the adulterous woman was added to “John” in the 5th century. There’s a shitload of earlier manuscripts of “John” that we have today that don’t contain that story.
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The Gospel of the Hebrews contained the story, and it was written sometime between 100-120AD. Papias, Bishop of Hierapolis, who included in his writings the story of Jesus and the adulteress around 95AD.
That may or may not be true. But it wasn’t in the gospel “of John”. Why do you keep moving the goalposts? I stated it wasn’t in the gospel of “John” and never said the story never existed in some other document.
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Youre incapable of understanding what you read. We are to follow the law. His death fulfilled the law. We are now saved by faith, grace. No longer by works. And therefore we are not to judge, by stoning or throwing people off the roof.
You are assuming univocality and erroneously interpreting “Matthew” through the lens of the rest of the scriptures. “Matthew” was rebuking Pauline Christianity which by the time “Matthew” was written had been preaching against Christians having to follow the Torah. “Matthew” wrote that passage to counter that Pauline view that the Torah didn’t have to be followed.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:47 am to RebelExpress38
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you claim to know so much about Christianity yet you don’t even understand the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.
Yeah! Forget the violent old ways! Let’s focus on the new covenant (and ignore that the old covenants are eternal)! What’s a good example? Maybe the Spanish Inquisition? Crusades? Murdering or converting most of the Native American and African populations?
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:48 am to RobbBobb
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Thats the difference in the Torah law, Sharia law, and the followers of Christ
Christianity adapted to society like it always has. That's the difference.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:51 am to Squirrelmeister
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Yeah! Forget the violent old ways! Let’s focus on the new covenant (and ignore that the old covenants are eternal)! What’s a good example? Maybe the Spanish Inquisition? Crusades? Murdering or converting most of the Native American and African populations?
Do you have a current example of Christians committing violence like the towel heads do?
If not then shut your mouth
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:23 am to texag7
Putting queers to death as capital punishment for breaking the law is a commandment of the Torah, which Christians and Muslims believe is god-inspired Truth.
To them it is necessary violence proscribed by their god as punishment for sin, which in a theocracy is breaking the law. The state of Texas executed a man earlier this year as punishment for a double murder. Christian violence in 2024 isn’t on the same level as Muslim violence but it’s still violence and it comes from the same source - the Torah.
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Do you have a current example of Christians committing violence like the towel heads do?
To them it is necessary violence proscribed by their god as punishment for sin, which in a theocracy is breaking the law. The state of Texas executed a man earlier this year as punishment for a double murder. Christian violence in 2024 isn’t on the same level as Muslim violence but it’s still violence and it comes from the same source - the Torah.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:39 am to Squirrelmeister
You use a thesaurus to find new ways to call people dumb in this thread, yet you can’t even keep your own arguments straight. Are arguments and points all subjective just like your morality?
Here you are arguing that Texas is a Christian government. And not only that, the source of this government is the Torah.
But let’s check in on the same page:
Which is it??
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The state of Texas executed a man earlier this year as punishment for a double murder. Christian violence in 2024 isn’t on the same level as Muslim violence but it’s still violence and it comes from the same source - the Torah.
Here you are arguing that Texas is a Christian government. And not only that, the source of this government is the Torah.
But let’s check in on the same page:
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Precisely, because our governments and laws are not Christian in nature and do not borrow from the Christian “objective moral standard”.
Which is it??
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 9:41 am
Posted on 4/29/24 at 4:58 pm to Squirrelmeister
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No, you are the liar, and a poor one at that.
I cant help you. Youre not capable of comprehending
The Pericope Adulterae was removed, because scribes didnt want to send the message that Christ condoned adultery. It was reinserted later. But the story itself is confirmed in Christian writings from 95AD on
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“Certain persons of little faith, or rather enemies of the true faith, fearing, I suppose, lest their wives should be given impunity in sinning, removed from their manuscripts the Lord's act of forgiveness toward the adulteress, as if he who had said, Sin no more, had granted permission to sin” [Augustine, De Adulterinis Conjugiis 2:6–7]
* The Codex Bezae records it circa 400AD
* Its also recorded in the Papias circa 95AD
* The Didascalia Apostolorum circa 200AD
* Commentary from Didymus circa 381AD
* Gospel of the Hebrews circa 110AD
* Codex Vaticanus displays a mark indicating there is an alternative reading at this point.
* Jerome said it was in many manuscripts in both Greek and Latin
* Augustine, stated that some skipped the passage to avoid the idea that Christ sanctioned adultery.
Clearly it was recorded and these later authors added it to their writings. Just because someone cant find the orginal manuscript of John doesnt mean it wasnt there at the writing
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The oldest surviving manuscript of any part of the New Testament is a papyrus fragment containing part of John 18. Scholars estimate that it was written about 125 AD.
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