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re: Challenge your thinking for a minute
Posted on 9/27/17 at 12:17 pm to RonLaFlamme
Posted on 9/27/17 at 12:17 pm to RonLaFlamme
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I'm a small government conservative/libertarian type and generally distrustful of those in authority and with too much power. I would wager most on this board feel the same way and are distrustful of government and too much power - it's a pretty foundational American principle.
the left wants to use the government to beat up whitey
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 12:29 pm to RonLaFlamme
Name a profession that doesn't have its share of insufferable assholes and incompetents. There are 3 out of 5 in our clerical pool alone.
Yes, there are a-hole, pea-brained, and/or macho cops. Lots of them. Somehow, I've still been able to avoid getting shot by one and mostly avoided even traffic tickets because I generally obey the law and I don't give them any crap.
Yes, there are a-hole, pea-brained, and/or macho cops. Lots of them. Somehow, I've still been able to avoid getting shot by one and mostly avoided even traffic tickets because I generally obey the law and I don't give them any crap.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 12:32 pm to RonLaFlamme
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Why do small government types (myself included) give government such a hard time for being inept, inefficient, unresponsive, etc. but have little criticism for the most powerful form of government (that with a gun and the power to arrest). Everyone knows or has met the cop who has no business being one - it's prevalent enough to be a stereotype.
I think this is the biggest reason for the problem, and the backlash to the solutions the left has employed.
Who says we small government types have little criticism for the police? That just isn't the case at all, and never has been. The right is every bit as outraged with the police when evidence shows that they have abused their position and power. Who is out there defending bad cops? Who is out there saying that bad cops don't exist?
The answer of course, is nobody. The problem is the left wants to sell a narrative that racism and oppression is rampant and pervasive among law enforcement, and really anyone except them, and the entire notion is absurd. There are many reasons for this, but the fact that they think it absolves POC from responsibility for their actions and decisions is chief among them.
I oppose it because the narrative is utter bullshite. When the police are in the wrong, there is no one who wants them in jail more than me. But I'm not going to pretend that there is some systemic problem with law enforcement, or society in general, because some folks refuse to abide by the law, and do what a police officer is telling them to do when lives are on the line.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 12:41 pm to VaBamaMan
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I have a friend who was an MP. She told me she denied people their rights constantly to do her job, and not just military personnel.
She was part of a joint drug task force the in the DC area that went after civilians too. Multiple times she told me about unlawful actions she committed because the only thing that matter was "the safety of the officers".
Your friend either was a terrible MP or lied to you. I'm going to go with the latter based on the fact that the military can NOT be used as a police force inside the continental US , with TWO exceptions. 1) The Coast Guard, 2 national guard units when they are under STATE control, not federal.
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That's bull shite. The safety of the people matter far more than the officer. That's what you signed up for, especially military police.
Incorrect. ALL lives are valuable , and actually in a situation where there is a danger to a multitude of people, the guy with the gun's life is MORE important than any one civilian's, because he has the gun that could prevent MULTIPLE deaths.
But that isn't the situation we are talking about here. Even if argue that as a cop I should be willing to take a bullet to protect you, that does not mean that a cop should have to get shot in order to avoid having to shoot a suspect.
Only an idiotic liberal would argue that.
Just based on shootings alone, the statistics are overwhelming, around 95% of officer on civilian shootings are cleared right away.. out of the 5% which which result in criminal charges being brought, upwards of 80% of those are ruled as justified.
There is no epidemic of unjustified police shootings.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 12:58 pm to Zach
Thanks for the feedback. It's good to have a well rounded view.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:01 pm to Jimbeaux
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Name a profession that doesn't have its share of insufferable a-holes and incompetents. There are 3 out of 5 in our clerical pool alone.
I wouldn't try because it doesn't exist. My point is that the consequence of being an insufferable a-hole and incompetent when you have that much power and authority is enormous.
Insufferable/incompetent clerical worker means your paperwork doesn't get filed correctly. Same concept with an armed and empowered police officer is much greater.
Greater responsibility means you get held to a higher standard.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:22 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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There is no epidemic of unjustified police shootings.
I didn't say there was.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:25 pm to RonLaFlamme
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My point is that the consequence of being an insufferable a-hole and incompetent when you have that much power and authority is enormous.
Okay, I agree with you.
My point is that there is not much that can really be done about it. Some small things, maybe. Better training (it's a part of what I do, actually).
The other point is that the problem is more of a social media phenomenon than a real issue. If it were a real issue, people would be looking at statistics to see if there are any trends to note.
Well what do you know... there are trends to note in the statistics.
- Police related shootings are going down.
- There is no indication that police related shootings are race related.
- Since the riots/protests and the multiple cop killing incidents and the political cya of government groups, violent crimes are up in poor black neighborhoods and police departments wrestle with how to deal with this whole mess. Proactive policing is way down and reactive policing is cautionary in the extreme.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 1:55 pm to Jimbeaux
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- Police related shootings are going down. -
That's a good thing. Curious as to how much of this is related to the pushback and the reticence of police to engage in certain areas/situations. I'm sure it's impossible to know.
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There is no indication that police related shootings are race related.
I'm not saying they are. I realize BLM is, but if they focused on unnecessarily aggressive police behavior and left race out of it, they would have a lot more people on their side.
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