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Can we just give the required 2% to NATO?

Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:39 pm
Posted by CajunTiger78
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:39 pm
We currently give 3.5% while some countries give less than 2%. What is stopping the U.S. from going from 3.5% to 2%? Does President Trump have the authority to stop this nonsense without congressional support?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:40 pm to
Move our facilities from Merkal land to Poland.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:41 pm to
We should just match whatever % Germany pays.

Spend the difference on our infrastructure.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:42 pm to
That would probably require the US to shut down a bunch of bases that we don't want to shut down.
Posted by cajuncarguy
On the road...Again!
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:43 pm to
That number is the country's total defense spending as a percent of it's GNP and not related to any direct in vestment in NATO itself. It's just a measurement of commitment to things like NATO. The press can't figure it out.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:44 pm to
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We currently give 3.5%


We don't "give" that money to someone else, you stupid shite. We spend that money on our own military.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:45 pm to
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Move our facilities from Merkal land to Poland.


This absolutely needs to happen
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23720 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:46 pm to
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What is stopping the U.S. from going from 3.5% to 2%?


We certainly can reduce our own military spending on our own military as you suggest. We can do it today. Nothing in NATO prevents it.

The problem is that you and all the other reckless republicans have no farking idea what you are talking about.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:47 pm to
That’s not how it works. We spend 3.5% of our GDP on our military as a whole. A whole lot goes into that not involving NATO but it is true that the US got into the big spending military game to defend Europe from Russia.

And if you really look at the numbers even more closely Europe has been mooching of of us gen more than the GDP % number would tell you. The US has been the one to fund all of the R&D into new military technologies that the Europeans have benefited from at almost no cost to themselves.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260610 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:47 pm to
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The problem is that you and all the other reckless republicans have no farking idea what you are talking about.


Enlighten them. Go for it
Posted by CajunTiger78
Member since Aug 2017
2528 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:49 pm to
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We don't "give" that money to someone else, you stupid shite. We spend that money on our own military.


F-U arse clown! I like many on here don't know all the answers so that is the reason questions are asked on the forum. You frickin douche!
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8330 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:50 pm to
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What is stopping the U.S. from going from 3.5% to 2%?
The military industrial complex
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
20390 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:52 pm to
We should move our troops to Poland and say it’s to protect Poland from Germany. We can’t trust those krauts.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:52 pm to
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Can we just give the required 2% to NATO?


No. We can't stop spending money on military shite because defense spending is a sacred cow that cannot be harmed, much less slaughtered.
Posted by NikolaiJakov
Moscow
Member since Mar 2014
2803 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:52 pm to
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The military industrial complex


The only "complex" that results in a net benefit.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260610 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

Move our facilities from Merkal land to The USA
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53771 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:54 pm to
Trump said it's 4.2%
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53771 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:55 pm to
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Spend the difference on our infrastructure.


like a wall?
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12512 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:05 pm to
We don’t give that money to NATO we just spend that much on the military. We need to pull troops from countries that don’t want to spend the 2%. Tell them call us for help after you are spending 2% like you have agreed too .
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23720 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:05 pm to
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Enlighten them. Go for it


OK. Here's what is going on.

The U.S. decides how much the U.S. spends on the U.S. military. We have decided that we will spend A LOT on the military. So we spend about 3 or 4% of our entire GDP on our own military. That's our own choice. That money is NOT "given" to NATO. That represents our own spending on our own military.

NATO is a military alliance in which each country agrees to defend each other. We invoked that after 9/11 and the NATO allies were required to assist in the fight against Al Quida, for example. If another NATO country is attacked, every other member, including the U.S, is obligated to help defend.

Under the alliance, each country has to be militarily ready to defend the others. The target is that each country should to spend about 2% of its own GDP on its own military to maintain readiness.

If, for example, France spends less than 2% on its own military, NO OTHER NATO COUNTRY HAS TO SPEND A PENNY MORE. There is no "debt" or "payment" to make up. This is France's payments to maintain France's own military.

Trump is absolutely wrong when he suggests that, for example, France spending less than 2% of its own GDP on its own military causes some kind of burden on the American taxpayer. The American Taxpayer doesn't spend a farking dime to maintain France's military. Never has, never will.

The issue is solely military readiness of each individual country. The 2% issue is solely a statement to each nation within the alliance that each should spend more of their own money on their own military forces.

We don't give 2% of anything to NATO. Neither does Germany, France or Turkey. That is absolutely not what is going on. This is about what other countries spend of their own tax dollars on their own military. U.S. spending on its own military is not affected at all. That is our decision.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 2:06 pm
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