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Antonio Moss
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding

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Gortz Haus “cannot be confused with a religious institution,” Red Wing said. “The Odgaards provide a service to the public that must accommodate all Iowans, including the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.”


Which is a retarded position that flys in the face of property rights.


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Sentrius
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
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states rights


Is still oppressive. No matter where it is.

What a pathetic cop out.

I support gay marriage being legal and this is an issue where gay marriage opponents have a legit argument and I fully agree with them on this issue. Who the frick are you to tell a private citizen what he can do and cannot do with his business as long it doesn't harm anybody else? And no, refusing service does not harm you. Forcing businesses to serve people they don't want to serve is statist as frick, anti-liberty, anti-freedom, un-American and completely shits all over property rights which is tantamount to a free, productive and capitalistic society.

This issue is more than capable of making me reconsider my support of gay marriage if enough of these stories pop up.


ballscaster
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
Obviously this business is licensed in some way by the State of Iowa, so of course they should not be allowed to discriminate against the very people who granted them that license.

Even if that weren't true, when you discriminate against a group because of a crazy prejudice, you get crazy in return. This business is getting what it asked for. Societies tend to publicly shame people for doing stupid things, whether it's putting the town drunk in the stocks&pillory or putting a football player in "sensitivity training" when he drops an N bomb at a Kenny Chesney show. Discriminating against someone for being gay is shameful, and these people are being shamed. That's a good thing.
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ballscaster
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Meh "states rights". If that's in Iowa's Code, that's the law. I don't see how you can complain about this law and support their neighboring state's right to ban gay marriage. States rights.
States don't have the rights to violate the 14th amendment.


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AUsteriskPride
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
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Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding


I don't agree, but of course they are.

It's preposterous that people can be sued for not providing access to their personal property (however ignorant/discriminatory their beliefs my be), but it's the illogical world we're all part of. Most people are walking talking emotional liabilities now, rugged individualists are a dying breed (in no way glorifying the past as a whole).
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themunch
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
If I were forcing someone to do this I do not see how I would be happy in the environment I forced myself into.


AUsteriskPride
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
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If I were forcing someone to do this I do not see how I would be happy in the environment I forced myself into.



It's more of a monkey see, monkey do scenario at this point. "Unfair treatment" claims will balloon out of control and defy logic among homosexual factions now, just as they have among racial groups.



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mtntiger
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
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This issue is more than capable of making me reconsider my support of gay marriage if enough of these stories pop up.


May as well change your stance now, because this is just the tip of the iceberg.


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bbrownso
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
Actually you seem to have found the/a blog of the director of One Iowa which advocates for same sex couples (she was also quoted on the first page). I'm going to assume she's advocating for one side there more than the other.

We should get to the heart of the matter and it's not 216.7(1). That clearly states that discrimination because of sexual orientation is wrong. The main question will be what is a public accommodation.

LINK
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"Public accommodation" means each and every place, establishment, or facility of whatever kind, nature, or class that caters or offers services, facilities, or goods for a fee or charge to nonmembers of any organization or association utilizing the place, establishment, or facility, provided that any place, establishment, or facility that caters or offers services, facilities, or goods to the nonmembers gratuitously shall be deemed a public accommodation if the accommodation receives governmental support or subsidy. Public accommodation shall not mean any bona fide private club or other place, establishment, or facility which is by its nature distinctly private, except when such distinctly private place, establishment, or facility caters or offers services, facilities, or goods to the nonmembers for fee or charge or gratuitously, it shall be deemed a public accommodation during such period.

"Public accommodation" includes each state and local government unit or tax-supported district of whatever kind, nature, or class that offers services, facilities, benefits, grants or goods to the public, gratuitously or otherwise.

Iowa Code section 216.2(12).


Have fun deciphering the 75 word run-on sentence at the beginning of the quote.
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mtntiger
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
Unfortunately, I think these people will lose. If I' m the owner of a private business that would normally rent said business for events in a state that allows gay marriage, then I'm changing my policy now to no longer rent out said facility.

Better to stand on principle and lose a few dollars than to have to deal with the overbearing intolerance of the pro-gay crowd.


CptBengal
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
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if the accommodation receives governmental support or subsidy.


hmmm.

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, or facility caters or offers services, facilities, or goods to the nonmembers for fee or charge


double hmmm.


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JEAUXBLEAUX
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
If this is considered a place of public accommodation and Iowas state law forbids discrimination by sexual orientation, they don;t have a leg to stand on.

Discrimination in public accommodations is illegal. No more we don;t serve your kind or no Jews allowed to stay at this hotel.

The lunch counters were integrated.


Toddy
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
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Meh "states rights". If that's in Iowa's Code, that's the law. I don't see how you can complain about this law and support their neighboring state's right to ban gay marriage. States rights.



I can't wait to see the rationalizing of this on here.


JEAUXBLEAUX
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
It will be rationalized as some want the ability to skirt the laws and discriminate. What if their religion said blacks can't eat there, or whatever? Sexual orientation is something that cannot be used to deny services, per Iowa as reported above.


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AUsteriskPride
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
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I can't wait to see the rationalizing of this on here.


There's no need, considering federal laws would prohibit these actions, regardless of state laws. Either way, dictating whom a person conducts business with is logically and morally unjust - regardless of the ignorant views held by the business owner.


JEAUXBLEAUX
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
Actually the opposite. Businesses are not allowed to discriminate. Blacks were allowed to eat at white restaurants. Hotels would not let Jews stay there. The Civil Rights Act ended all this bs. Did you ever hear about the Greensboro Lunch counters? Rosa Parks? Dr. King?


ShortyRob
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
Ah. I see Jeaux still can't comprehend the difference between legally mandated discrimination and an individual discriminating. And. I see he still hates freedom. Step away from board for a few days and same same upon return.


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AUsteriskPride
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
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Did you ever hear about the Greensboro Lunch counters? Rosa Parks? Dr. King?


Nope, never heard of them. I'll look them up and come back with a more informed opinion.


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CptBengal
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
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Discrimination in public accommodations is illegal. No more we don;t serve your kind or no Jews allowed to stay at this hotel.

The lunch counters were integrated.


Jesus christ youre a moron.

The gays can shop at the store. they can browse the gallery. The gallery doesnt want to rent itself out to them.

unless the gallery regularly rents itself out, I dont see how they can be forced to do so just because some pole smokers want them to.


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LSUnKaty
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Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
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re: Business owners threatened, legal action; refusing facility for gay wedding
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Discrimination in public accommodations is illegal
I own a rental property on the beach. If my realtor has a potential renter they call me to accept the lease.

If it's a bunch of college kids renting on spring break I will say - no, hold out for a family. If I'm in a bind and need to get the place rented, I might approve but only if they pay more or at the very least leave a much larger damage deposit.

Is this illegal?


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