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re: Budget comparisons between St George & other Louisiana cities
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:20 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:20 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
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this SG movement will wake everyone up and demand better from our leaders.
What specifically do you want to be better? Name these services that will improve with the new city.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:21 pm to doubleb
quote:Could the same be said for our police protection? With the exception of having to pay one salary for a SG police chief?
That's because St. George already has fire districts which are supported by property taxes we pay. The city of St. George wouldn't be in the fire business just like EBR Parish isn't now in the rural areas.
The same thing applies to sewerage. We pay a sewer fee to support the sewer system that is a parish wide system. We would continue to support the system just as we are now.
Our garbage pick up is paid fopr by property taxes also. That would continue as is and the city of St. George wouldn't be in the garbage business.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:25 pm to Asgard Device
quote:When I said leaders, I should have said EBRP school board.
What specifically do you want to be better? Name these services that will improve with the new city.
My wife and I don't even have kids, and never will. Tired of seeing good and descent people leave the parish because of the schools.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:27 pm to doubleb
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Go review the Central budget,
Incorporation of Central did nothing to improve city services to central. It's also one of the least transparent governments around. Crooked land deals and privatization contracts embroiled the city at one point but eventually people just accepted it.
Central hasn't actually raised taxes (for city services) but I expect one is coming once they try to get their own city hall and improvements to city streets. I also think they'll push for their own police force tax at some point. On top of that their schools are over crowded. Lots of "temporary" trailers.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:31 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
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When I said leaders, I should have said EBRP school board. My wife and I don't even have kids, and never will. Tired of seeing good and descent people leave the parish because of the schools.
Forming a city is not the same as a new school district. ISD's are common and do not legally require incorporation. The majority party in the state legislature wants a piece of the EBR pie so they're using the school district as bait. They're probably drooling over being able loot St George like they did Central. Democrat legislators will vote against the school district no matter what, so who are these swing voters?
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:32 pm to Asgard Device
quote:
Incorporation of Central
Well, I know many people from their that are happy and are not sending their kids to private schools anymore. Redemptorist is on its last leg because of it. My mom and dad voted against the new city in central but recently told me they are now glad it happened.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:35 pm to doubleb
quote:Yes, I did. What analysis have you done?
But yet you worked all morning reviewing other city's budgets so you could run a comparative analysis ot the St. George budget.
Who is being disingenuous here?
quote:That statement makes no sense.
You don't live in St. George I suspect because you really don't know what we pay now.
If you're trying to say I don't know what taxes and fees everyone in St George pays, you're right. Do you?
I've studied the property tax millage assessments on the EBR assessor's website so I have a decent idea what city residents pay versus residents outside the city limits.
Currently property owners inside the city limits pay 13.12 mills in property taxes designated as "Baton Rouge City Tax" that property owners outside the city limits don't pay. LINK
And there are taxes which property owners in specific areas pay that property owners in other areas don't pay.
If you have more detailed information you can offer about the SG area's taxes, I'd like to learn about it.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:35 pm to LSURussian
quote:
Yes, so? Lake Charles is a city. EBR is not just the city of Baton Rouge.
Right.
800,000,000/440,000 = $1,818 per person
Why so much higher?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:37 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
quote:This is my hope also.
At the very least, hopefully this SG movement will wake everyone up and demand better from our leaders.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:37 pm to Asgard Device
quote:I know. I wonder what would happen with this SG movement if the EBRSB was overhauled from top to bottom.
Forming a city is not the same as a new school district.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:38 pm to Asgard Device
quote:
Incorporation of Central did nothing to improve city services to central. It's also one of the least transparent governments around. Crooked land deals and privatization contracts embroiled the city at one point but eventually people just accepted it. Central hasn't actually raised taxes (for city services) but I expect one is coming once they try to get their own city hall and improvements to city streets. I also think they'll push for their own police force tax at some point. On top of that their schools are over crowded. Lots of "temporary" trailers.
Did their services get worse? I don't know but
they got their school district.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:39 pm to uway
quote:
Why so much higher?
Because it's a combined city + parish budget + regional grants/programs?
I'm assuming that's why Russian chose independent cities as an apples to apples comparison with St George.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:43 pm to Asgard Device
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I'm assuming that's why Russian chose independent cities as an apples to apples comparison with St George.
Bingo
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:44 pm to doubleb
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Did their services get worse? I don't know but they got their school district.
Incorporation was unnecessary. The school district was going to get OK 'd once they started using natural boundaries that included some parts they didn't originally want.
Interestingly enough, the school district pops out of the city limits and encompasses homes owned by the Watts. The same family that the appointed mayor Watts and the Mrs Watts-Browning is in. The Watts-Browning lady appointed to the school board is married into the Browning family which includes the central police chief and one of the main organizers of St George.
It's all kind of interesting, really and it's kinda cool that people in Central will run the show in St George (behind the curtain).
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:48 pm to LSURussian
I've always felt that Lake Charles was run fairly efficiently. The numbers seem to validate it.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:50 pm to uway
quote:Good question. I saw that when I did my spreadsheet and it was so much higher than any other city I dropped it off my spreadsheet.
Why so much higher?
I got the numbers for Lafayette Parish, which also has a consolidated city/parish form of government like EBR has, and the only numbers I found were...
quote:LINK
The proposed LCG budget covers a total of $598 million, $367 million of which is in the operations funds. The Lafayette city general fund under the budget proposal is at $92.5 million.
With a population of 227,055, that means Lafayette Parish is spending $2,634/person.
Again, that number was so out of line with the other numbers, I didn't include Laf Parish on my spreadsheet.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:52 pm to LSURussian
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Currently property owners inside the city limits pay 13.12 mills in property taxes designated as "Baton Rouge City Tax" that property owners outside the city limits don't pay. LINK
Of those 13.2 mills, 6.9 are immediately identifiable as unnecessary for St George. The "Three Platoon Police System" tax (whatever that is) is unnecessary because St George will have law enforcement services provided by the Sheriff's dept as it currently does, and as the citizens there currently already pay for. Likewise, the millage for the BR fire department is unnecessary because St George residents already pay for fire services through millages in the "Other taxing authorities" section at your link.
Here's the mystery for me- the "General fund" dollars. City of BR residents have a dedicated millage for the general fund. I'm not sure where the money for the general fund is raised from persons living outside incorporated BR. I'm assuming it's in the "Parish" millage which is a smaller millage than the BR residents' "General fund" millage.
All that said, this topic is way more complex than simply looking at per-capita or per-square mile spending of cities. there are too many variables, especially considering the number of parish services utilized by the St George area which would ostensibly continue to be utilized in the same way resulting in no new liability for the new city.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:55 pm to doubleb
quote:Of course they do, but they pay 6.22 mills LESS in property taxes to the general fund than property owners inside the city limits.
You know people in what is touted to be St. George do pay in to the General Fund too?
quote:No, we don't. No one does. The garbage collection service is paid via a monthly fee included with the water bill. It is not a property tax.
And we all pay property taxes for garbage service
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:56 pm to Asgard Device
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Incorporation was unnecessary. The school district was going to get OK 'd once they started using natural boundaries that included some parts they didn't originally want.
If St. George could get their school district they wouldn't be pushing for a city.
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Interestingly enough, the school district pops out of the city limits and encompasses homes owned by the Watts. The same family that the appointed mayor Watts and the Mrs Watts-Browning is in. The Watts-Browning lady appointed to the school board is married into the Browning family which includes the central police chief and one of the main organizers of St George. It's all kind of interesting, really and it's kinda cool that people in Central will run the show in St George (behind the curtain).
If you believe that fine, but it isn't going to happen. St. George will have their own home grown miscreants and won't need Central's. That happens everywhere.
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