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re: Biden to close ‘gun-show loophole’ and expand background checks for firearms
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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Now, does it happen anywhere near how DEMs portray it? No. Clearly not.
Maybe its just the liberty-minded person in me, but I tend to worry more about overreach than I do freedom.
You see nothing wrong with these "clarifications" but as a gun owner, I absolutely see that this is trying to force most sales through FFLs.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:12 am to GumboPot
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I never purchased a gun at a gun-show
I’ve purchased several. There isn’t one. If you buy one from a vendor there, they have to call it in to the ATF for a background check just like every where else.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:13 am to texag7
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Anyone that ever bought a bump stock is a total clown
Keep pretending it's actually about bump stocks.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well they do exist. Like I've said a few times, this is exactly why the airport exec in Arkansas got busted. They had him dead to rights selling volume at gun shows without a FFL. He even sold to an undercover.
Just jumped into the thread, sorry for missing your earlier answer(s).
This gets into how do we define the difference between a dealer and a private seller. Why should that be limited just to firearms? That seems to me to be a point of interstate commerce, thus it should apply to all transactions (looking at you, members of Congress with your stock trading).
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:16 am to Bard
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This gets into how do we define the difference between a dealer and a private seller.
Literally what this reg is doing, just FYI.
You can disagree with how they do it, but the point of the reg is to do just this.
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That seems to me to be a point of interstate commerce, thus it should apply to all transactions (looking at you, members of Congress with your stock trading).
Things like Series 7/9/etc are also regulated via the feds and its' a federal license.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 11:17 am
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:18 am to texag7
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Anyone that ever bought a bump stock is a total clown
Is that your criteria for making things illegal?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:20 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Still wont answer
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:21 am to SDVTiger
You see others calling you a tard, right? Ask one of them, Tate.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:22 am to theunknownknight
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There isn’t one
The only "loophole" i know of is antiques and black powder guns, and thats not exclusive to gun shows.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:26 am to DisplacedBuckeye
No i dont. All i see is you still after months of asking refusing to answer the question
I even dumbed it down to a yes or no yet you still refuse
I even dumbed it down to a yes or no yet you still refuse
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:28 am to stout
Cmon Jack. This is common sense gun control. Let me be clear :angryincoherentwhispers:
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:29 am to SDVTiger
K. Well, go find them. Maybe one of them is more used to dealing with toddlers.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:29 am to SDVTiger
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No i dont. All i see is you still after months of asking refusing to answer the question
Why do you still play this stupid game just to justify Donny's anti freedom campaign?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:So it was already a crime and they arrested him? Where's the problem? Where's the 'loophole?'
this is exactly why the airport exec in Arkansas got busted. They had him dead to rights selling volume at gun shows without a FFL. He even sold to an undercover.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:32 am to Pettifogger
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The vast majority of gun show sales are by dealers and utilize background checks
This. And the vast majority of sales from private sellers are of relics. I haven't seen too many gang or mass shootings being carried out with a Krag-Jorgensen.
I know this is redundant, but Kamala Harris is talking completely out of her arse.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 11:32 am
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:34 am to blueboy
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So it was already a crime and they arrested him? Where's the problem?
The reg doesn't change that part.
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Where's the 'loophole?'
I have already said this terminology is misleading
But the reg clarifies what Bard was posting about: when private sales become business sales
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:35 am to GumboPot
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never purchased a gun at a gun-show...what is the gun-show loophole?
No idea. I've purchased a firearm at a gun show, which subsequent was lost in an unfortunate marine mishap.
I had to fill out the paperwork and do the same online background check as if I'd bought one at a firearm sales establishment.
I honestly have no clue WTF these dims have been talking about for all these years. I suspect further infringements of the 2A are cleverly slipped into the proposal and "gun show loophole" is just a smokescreen because to my knowledge it doesn't exist.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:38 am to blueboy
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Where's the 'loophole?'
The only loophole I know is antiques and relics, and thats not just for gun shows.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:38 am to theunknownknight
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I’ve purchased several. There isn’t one. If you buy one from a vendor there, they have to call it in to the ATF for a background check just like every where else.
There is no "gun show loophole", only an FFL can legally sell a new gun and they are required to perform a 4473 background check.
That said, a few years ago I attended a gun show in Natchitoches, LA. I saw a shotgun on a table with a few other guns and several boxes of ammunition. I decided to purchase the shotgun and the seller gave me a bill of sale and receipt but that was it, no 4473 or ID required. He said it was his personal gun and wrote it up as a private sale.
Private sales like that aren't illegal as long as the person selling it isn't doing so as a straw purchase or dealing without a license. Thinning out your collection, and getting rid of guns you don't need is perfectly acceptable.
I would imagine most gun shows would frown on this now because of all of the "loophole" ignorance being spewed by Anti- 2A groups these days. However, private sales aren't now and never have been illegal.
I'll bet if you hang around the parking lot at a gun show for a while you will find private transactions legally being conducted by law abiding individuals.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:45 am to stout
Two immediate goals - 1) force private sales to go through FFLs, 2) reduce the number of gun shows....
Remember, the ATF is also revoking FFLs at a high rate...
All part of a squeeze play to make buying, owning and using firearms as difficult as possible...
The left (and the ATF) absolutely hate the 2A
Remember, the ATF is also revoking FFLs at a high rate...
All part of a squeeze play to make buying, owning and using firearms as difficult as possible...
The left (and the ATF) absolutely hate the 2A
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