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re: Biden to close ‘gun-show loophole’ and expand background checks for firearms

Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:11 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261167 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:11 am to
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Now, does it happen anywhere near how DEMs portray it? No. Clearly not.


Maybe its just the liberty-minded person in me, but I tend to worry more about overreach than I do freedom.

You see nothing wrong with these "clarifications" but as a gun owner, I absolutely see that this is trying to force most sales through FFLs.

Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57423 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:12 am to
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I never purchased a gun at a gun-show


I’ve purchased several. There isn’t one. If you buy one from a vendor there, they have to call it in to the ATF for a background check just like every where else.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72394 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:13 am to
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Anyone that ever bought a bump stock is a total clown


Keep pretending it's actually about bump stocks.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51763 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:13 am to
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Well they do exist. Like I've said a few times, this is exactly why the airport exec in Arkansas got busted. They had him dead to rights selling volume at gun shows without a FFL. He even sold to an undercover.


Just jumped into the thread, sorry for missing your earlier answer(s).

This gets into how do we define the difference between a dealer and a private seller. Why should that be limited just to firearms? That seems to me to be a point of interstate commerce, thus it should apply to all transactions (looking at you, members of Congress with your stock trading).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423063 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:16 am to
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This gets into how do we define the difference between a dealer and a private seller.

Literally what this reg is doing, just FYI.

You can disagree with how they do it, but the point of the reg is to do just this.

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That seems to me to be a point of interstate commerce, thus it should apply to all transactions (looking at you, members of Congress with your stock trading).

Things like Series 7/9/etc are also regulated via the feds and its' a federal license.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 11:17 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261167 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:18 am to
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Anyone that ever bought a bump stock is a total clown


Is that your criteria for making things illegal?

Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74053 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:20 am to
Still wont answer
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72394 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:21 am to
You see others calling you a tard, right? Ask one of them, Tate.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261167 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:22 am to
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There isn’t one


The only "loophole" i know of is antiques and black powder guns, and thats not exclusive to gun shows.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74053 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:26 am to
No i dont. All i see is you still after months of asking refusing to answer the question

I even dumbed it down to a yes or no yet you still refuse
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31527 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:28 am to
Cmon Jack. This is common sense gun control. Let me be clear :angryincoherentwhispers:
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72394 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:29 am to
K. Well, go find them. Maybe one of them is more used to dealing with toddlers.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261167 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:29 am to
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No i dont. All i see is you still after months of asking refusing to answer the question


Why do you still play this stupid game just to justify Donny's anti freedom campaign?
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56419 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:30 am to
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this is exactly why the airport exec in Arkansas got busted. They had him dead to rights selling volume at gun shows without a FFL. He even sold to an undercover.
So it was already a crime and they arrested him? Where's the problem? Where's the 'loophole?'
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
16926 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:32 am to
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The vast majority of gun show sales are by dealers and utilize background checks


This. And the vast majority of sales from private sellers are of relics. I haven't seen too many gang or mass shootings being carried out with a Krag-Jorgensen.

I know this is redundant, but Kamala Harris is talking completely out of her arse.
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 11:32 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423063 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:34 am to
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So it was already a crime and they arrested him? Where's the problem?

The reg doesn't change that part.

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Where's the 'loophole?'

I have already said this terminology is misleading

But the reg clarifies what Bard was posting about: when private sales become business sales
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
24882 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:35 am to
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never purchased a gun at a gun-show...what is the gun-show loophole?


No idea. I've purchased a firearm at a gun show, which subsequent was lost in an unfortunate marine mishap.

I had to fill out the paperwork and do the same online background check as if I'd bought one at a firearm sales establishment.

I honestly have no clue WTF these dims have been talking about for all these years. I suspect further infringements of the 2A are cleverly slipped into the proposal and "gun show loophole" is just a smokescreen because to my knowledge it doesn't exist.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261167 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:38 am to
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Where's the 'loophole?'


The only loophole I know is antiques and relics, and thats not just for gun shows.

Posted by BR92
Member since Apr 2021
849 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:38 am to
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I’ve purchased several. There isn’t one. If you buy one from a vendor there, they have to call it in to the ATF for a background check just like every where else.


There is no "gun show loophole", only an FFL can legally sell a new gun and they are required to perform a 4473 background check.

That said, a few years ago I attended a gun show in Natchitoches, LA. I saw a shotgun on a table with a few other guns and several boxes of ammunition. I decided to purchase the shotgun and the seller gave me a bill of sale and receipt but that was it, no 4473 or ID required. He said it was his personal gun and wrote it up as a private sale.

Private sales like that aren't illegal as long as the person selling it isn't doing so as a straw purchase or dealing without a license. Thinning out your collection, and getting rid of guns you don't need is perfectly acceptable.

I would imagine most gun shows would frown on this now because of all of the "loophole" ignorance being spewed by Anti- 2A groups these days. However, private sales aren't now and never have been illegal.

I'll bet if you hang around the parking lot at a gun show for a while you will find private transactions legally being conducted by law abiding individuals.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
1696 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:45 am to
Two immediate goals - 1) force private sales to go through FFLs, 2) reduce the number of gun shows....

Remember, the ATF is also revoking FFLs at a high rate...

All part of a squeeze play to make buying, owning and using firearms as difficult as possible...

The left (and the ATF) absolutely hate the 2A
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