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re: Better Together? Maybe Not
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:24 pm to MrCoolBeans
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:24 pm to MrCoolBeans
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And speaking of "spin"...How do people not see that SG petition drives are spun so far truth and practicality?
What spin have you personally heard at a petition drive?
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:52 pm to RidiculousHype
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Any bad news for the EBR school system is good news for the St. George petition drive. In this case, EBR is having to cut because they've been spending money they don't have. Look, I know some of us have dogs in this fight but at least try to be objective
Furthermore, the satus quo crowd is telling people that SG will have to raise taxes, and that the safe thing to do is keep the status quo because taxes are less likely to go up.
But keep in mind two things, the city just set up a special tax district and voted a big property tax increase for CATS. We know that happened.
Couple that with the linked article about the EBR School system being short of money.
I'm a reasonable person, but if you see a government entity short of money; it is reasonable to expect them to eventually ask for a tax increase.
So telling people that SG is going to have to raise taxes when the current system is close to having to raise taxes is being disingenuous.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:55 pm to Sprocket46
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What spin have you personally heard
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The proposal to incorporate a new city in southeast East Baton Rouge Parish would:
– Remove $85 million in tax revenue from East Baton Rouge Parish.
– Create an annual city-parish budget deficit of $53 million (20% of the entire budget).
– Result in tax increases and/or service cuts for ALL residents of East Baton Rouge Parish, including southeast residents, to make up for revenue losses and create duplicate municipal services.
– Pose a threat to the economic stability of the metro region.
– Increase distrust and division across our community.
LINK /
Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:26 pm to doubleb
Regarding BRCVPA...it is a magnet school. It consistently ranks as one of the best schools in the state. However, it is set up as a visual and performing arts school. The principal has dexided to cut the visual arts teacher and roll that position into the duties of the regular teaching staff. It started a firestorm. Some of the same people that started better together are now turning their guns on him. This is gonna be fun to watch.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:38 pm to captfun
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Regarding BRCVPA...it is a magnet school. It consistently ranks as one of the best schools in the state. However, it is set up as a visual and performing arts school. The principal has dexided to cut the visual arts teacher and roll that position into the duties of the regular teaching staff. It started a firestorm. Some of the same people that started better together are now turning their guns on him. This is gonna be fun to watch.
That's what I saw last night.
The principal was an older guy, and the people in the crowd wouldn't listen to his explanation. They want their Art teacher and there was no mood to compromise.
Isn't this an elementary school?
JMHO, but why are we in need of a visual and performing arts school magnet school at the elementary level?
I realize the school is an A school, and I'd bet it has won all kind of awards, but shouldn't it be an A school if you are getting the cream of the crop from an entire parish?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:24 pm to doubleb
quote:Link?
that the safe thing to do is keep the status quo because taxes are less likely to go up.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:12 pm to LSURussian
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I think most business owners would be willing to accept the known increases for being annexed into BR (plus the added benefit of lower insurance costs) versus the unknown and potentially much larger increases that might face them if they are included in SG.
That is what business owners are debating amongst themselves now.
LINK
Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:42 pm to doubleb
Why did you link to my profile?
The quote you posted does not support your original statement for which I requested a link.
The quote you posted does not support your original statement for which I requested a link.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:46 pm to Poodlebrain
So the schools that teach the kids of actual taxpayers are having to cut twice as much as the free loaders?
That makes plenty sense.
That makes plenty sense.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:57 pm to LSURussian
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Why did you link to my profile?
I was give you props.
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The quote you posted does not support your original statement for which I requested a link
I believe it does.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:00 pm to shawnlsu
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So the schools that teach the kids of actual taxpayers are having to cut twice as much as the free loaders? That makes plenty sense.
Because we are better together.
Seriously, the economy is improving, city leaders tell us BR is on the verge of a boom, and we find out the schools don't have enough money yet they are giving out pay raises, bonuses, and adding magnet programs and charter schools.
Then we read the state is investigating them, there's two TV stations doing expose's on the administration, and SG people are lectured by the magnet school crowd and BR city folk as if we don't know what's best.
You can't make this stuff up.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:30 pm to MrCoolBeans
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And speaking of "spin"...How do people not see that SG petition drives are spun so far truth and practicality? You only hear hate toward BR and the current systems, no real selling points just the ole church strategy of telling you who the enemy is and the evil they create. There is no real info at these drives. I understand the "volunteer" aspect of it, but your asking me to be on board to create a new city, its not a petition to add new street lights at an intersection.
I see this as an issue that will resolve itself. The vote has to be held and the voters will decide if a case has been made to the voting public for the vote to pass.
Your concern about the 'spin' is unnecessary. The people of St. George would decide, and if they decide to incorporate/form ISD, it's because they are comfortable that they will outperform the status quo (which is a foregone conclusion IMO)
Posted on 5/14/14 at 5:41 pm to doubleb
So tying this together:
Because of a drop in revenue from charter schools (since the money follows the student, if more students go to charter schools that means fewer dollars go to 'regular' public schools) AND increases in expenditure (from retirement, healthcare, scheduled pay increases, etc), the EBRSB will be $29m in the red next year.
The superintendent's solution is the cut the admin budget (by 10%? ) and each school has to cut either 4% or 8% depending on the amount of free and reduced lunch students that attend. So schools with poorer students get cut less.
The Baton Rouge Center for Visual and Performing Arts (which is a magnet) is going to drop the visual arts as a focus as a way to meet their 8% cut.
I am not trying to editorialize here, just summarizing.
Because of a drop in revenue from charter schools (since the money follows the student, if more students go to charter schools that means fewer dollars go to 'regular' public schools) AND increases in expenditure (from retirement, healthcare, scheduled pay increases, etc), the EBRSB will be $29m in the red next year.
The superintendent's solution is the cut the admin budget (by 10%? ) and each school has to cut either 4% or 8% depending on the amount of free and reduced lunch students that attend. So schools with poorer students get cut less.
The Baton Rouge Center for Visual and Performing Arts (which is a magnet) is going to drop the visual arts as a focus as a way to meet their 8% cut.
I am not trying to editorialize here, just summarizing.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 6:44 pm to doubleb
quote:Then why do you keep making it up????
You can't make this stuff up.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:20 pm to LSURussian
I didn't make up the 11per cent or the 38 million. You did that by yourself.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:04 pm to doubleb
It's really not "cream of the crop" as it is a lottery to get in. Entry is not based on performance but staying is.
I can't really answer about why the emphasis is needed, except tha it really is beneficial for the kids. I know my son is far more outgoing after being in this program. He has also learnes 3 different musical instruments that would not have been possible any other way.
Btw, there is more to this story that may come out. Keep an eye on this.
I can't really answer about why the emphasis is needed, except tha it really is beneficial for the kids. I know my son is far more outgoing after being in this program. He has also learnes 3 different musical instruments that would not have been possible any other way.
Btw, there is more to this story that may come out. Keep an eye on this.
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