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re: Barack just released 10 more gitmo inmates
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:09 am to MrCarton
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:09 am to MrCarton
quote:No way Mcgrath says they were all sent to Gitmo with no evidence .
We had thousands of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan for more tha 9 years.
quote:Where would you suggest the HVTs be kept?
I don't see how. keeping a few hundred reportedly high threat people in a maximum security prison is a problem.
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:11 am to MrCarton
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somehow people are ok with this. I'm not.
Some really bright, capable people in the Army JAG Corps felt the same way, it cost them their career. I'm talking about guys being groomed for top slots at the table. And they were right.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:22 am to Jbird
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Where would you suggest the HVTs be kept?
I think the vast majority aren't HVTs or national security threats to begin with and for hundreds of them there is no justification for calling them such. Having an actual trial with evidence eliminates a huge chunk of prisoners from the GITMO rolls, send the low level shite birds to Afghanistan, Iraq, or whatever the origin country is and let them deal with it. for those found innocent, send them back home with a settlement.
For the true threats to US national security, of which there are very few, put them in a mainland max security federal prison in accordance with the result of their trial. Once the results of the trial are published, they could even send them to an undisclosed federal prison. Then close down the money and ethics pit that is Gitmo. It's pretty simple from my vantage point. There is nothing unsecure about closing GITMO.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 11:24 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:25 am to Lakeboy7
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Some really bright, capable people in the Army JAG Corps felt the same way, it cost them their career. I'm talking about guys being groomed for top slots at the table. And they were right.
That is unfortunate.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:27 am to MrCarton
quote:So deny them visits from their family and legal team?
they could even send them to an undisclosed federal prison.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:27 am to mmcgrath
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Do we really trust Dick Cheney Era evidence or claims against them? The dangerous ones got away with Bin Laden.
i'm not losing any sleep over them being there.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:30 am to MrCarton
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hope he pardons them all!
Me too. So they can come kill everyone in your family. Then maybe we can give them a trial.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:39 am to Jbird
If the suspected terrorists and sympathizers/organizers @ GTMO were kept in a Stateside prison they would bypass the military tribunal. This is key. Obama wanted to shitcan the military tribunal. He lawyered these terrorist frickers up. Had a million dollar "courthouse" and soccer field built for them. He made a show of it in having their lawyers tell them to do a starvation for sympathy. Obama went way too far. To do nothing but; appease the progressive dem mindset that they have rights as US citizens; as known terrorists that are not American.
Even Nancy Pelosi didn't want them jailed in her district. No one did. They were the Hannibal Lecter and GTMO was ideal for them.
Terrorists have now graduated to infiltrating from within (Fort Hood) so now they have to be tried as Americans in our courts. There is nothing wrong with keeping GTMO detaining facilities readied for some such occurance that terrorists are not shot on the spot because they have a habib wearing female with a baby with them.
I doubt this will be needed with President Trump because they will all die on the battlefield if there is ever even a small battlefield of specforces or others.
ETA: the cognitively impaired Obama politics of this presented as the GTMO detaining facilities as dindunuffins that are beat and starving... Is a bold faced lie. The ones that were even possible bystanders all got out out according to their military tribunals. Mostly all of them (incl the ones traded for Bergdahl) return to terrorism.
Even Nancy Pelosi didn't want them jailed in her district. No one did. They were the Hannibal Lecter and GTMO was ideal for them.
Terrorists have now graduated to infiltrating from within (Fort Hood) so now they have to be tried as Americans in our courts. There is nothing wrong with keeping GTMO detaining facilities readied for some such occurance that terrorists are not shot on the spot because they have a habib wearing female with a baby with them.
I doubt this will be needed with President Trump because they will all die on the battlefield if there is ever even a small battlefield of specforces or others.
ETA: the cognitively impaired Obama politics of this presented as the GTMO detaining facilities as dindunuffins that are beat and starving... Is a bold faced lie. The ones that were even possible bystanders all got out out according to their military tribunals. Mostly all of them (incl the ones traded for Bergdahl) return to terrorism.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 11:50 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:46 am to Jbird
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So deny them visits from their family and legal team?
What legal team? the same one they have now?
You are pointing out a complication that is about 1/1000th that of running an offshore prison at GITMO. I'd say deciding on the possible arrangement for a legal team is a minor annoyance in the grand scheme. It certainly isn't enough to warrant keeping GITMO open.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:50 am to ljhog
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Me too. So they can come kill everyone in your family.
I'm terrified.
Do you wet your bed often, or do you just act like a total pussy on TD?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:38 pm to MrCarton
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Shut it down baby! stop wasting my fricking money running the world's most expensive prison full of people who haven't been tried for crimes. hope he pardons them all!
I can always count on you to deliver in these threads. Thanks bro. These damn neocons haven't read much of the Constitution they love talking about so much.
Maybe God-Emperor Trump will suspend some citizen's habeus corpus and send them to Gitmo to be tortured as an enemy combatant. That'd be awesome. Remember, you have nothing to fear if you've done nothing wrong!
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:42 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Maybe God-Emperor Trump will suspend some citizen's habeus corpus and send them to Gitmo to be tortured as an enemy combatant.
I actually think trump is the most human president we've had in a long time. I expect to see a better system for handling these kinds of issues with him in office. Or I could be wrong and we get more of the same. Who knows.
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Remember, you have nothing to fear if you've done nothing wrong!
Exactly! what have we got to hide?
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:42 pm to member12
Did he notify congress? thought they passed a resolution about releases..
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:47 pm to Aubie Spr96
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779 prisoners have been held by the U.S. military at Guantánamo since the prison opened on January 11, 2002. Of those, 709 have been released or transferred, one was transferred to the U.S. to be tried, and nine have died, the most recent being Adnan Latif, in September 2012. 45 men are still held, and 9 of these men have been recommended for release by high-level governmental review processes. The most recent releases, on Jan. 16, 2017, are of ten men who have not yet been identified. When their names are released, the list will be updated.
To join the campaign for the prison's closure in 2017, see the Countdown to Close Guantánamo, and the photos of celebrities and members of the public from around the world (also see here and the third set here, the fourth set here and the fifth set here).
192 of the 779 prisoners have been released under President Obama, and although no prisoners were released for 15 months from January 2011, two Uighur prisoners (Muslims from China's Xinjiang province) were released in April 2012, another man, Ibrahim al-Qosi, who was given a two-year sentence after a plea deal in July 2010, was released in July 2012, and in September 2012, Omar Khadr, a former child prisoner, was transferred to Canada to serve the rest of the sentence he negotiated as part of plea deal in October 2010.
In August 2013, following a promise to resume releasing prisoners that President Obama made in May, after the majority of the remaining prisoners had embarked on a hunger strike to remind the world of their plight, two Algerians -- cleared for release in January 2010 by the inter-agency Guantánamo Review Task Force that President Obama established when he took office in January 2009 -- were released, and in December 2013 two more Algerians were repatriated -- although these two men didn't want to go home -- and two Saudis were then released.
These releases were then followed by the repatriation of two Sudanese prisoners -- Noor Uthman Muhammed, as the result of a plea deal in February 2011, and Ibrahim Idris, who had been cleared for release by the task force, but whose eventual release was ordered by a judge after the Justice Department failed to contest his habeas corpus petition, accepting that he was severely mentally ill.
At the end of 2013, three more men were given new homes in Slovakia -- the last of the 22 Uighurs (Muslims from China's oppressed Xinjiang province) whose release into the U.S. had been ordered -- but then overturned -- by a judge in October 2008.
In March 2014, another Algerian -- Ahmed Belbacha -- was repatriated, and on May 31, 2014, five Taliban prisoners were released, in Qatar, and under supervision, in exchange for the release of the sole U.S. prisoner of war in Afghanistan, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who had been held by the Taliban-affiliated Haqqani Network since 2009.
In November 2014, Fawzi al-Odah, one of the last two Kuwaitis in Guantánamo, was freed, and, also in November 2014, six more prisoners were released -- three Yemenis were given new homes in Georgia, a Yemeni and a Tunisian were resettled in Slovakia, and a Saudi was repatriated.
Looks like there aren't a whole lot of reasons left to keep GITMO open
What a joke. We have people in this thread who believe that their families are at risk due to these prisoner releases. My god, what the frick has happened to people to be this terrified all the time.
Close GITMO
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:50 pm to LosLobos111
Shutting down Gitmo and releasing all these infidels is two different items.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:52 pm to MrCarton
Okay you convinced me let them all go immediately, it's as if there are no bad guys in the world anymore. We can then keep Obama's drone program going, much easier to whack them from 25,000 feet. 
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:19 pm to Jbird
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Okay you convinced me let them all go immediately, it's as if there are no bad guys in the world anymore.
Cmon man, you know I don't believe that there are no bad guys in the world! Charge the guys, give them a trial, give them back to their home countries, or let them go. Its been done hundreds of times, the world is still turning.
This was my solution, as stated earlier :
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For the true threats to US national security, of which there are very few, put them in a mainland max security federal prison in accordance with the result of their trial. Once the results of the trial are published, they could even send them to an undisclosed federal prison. Then close down the money and ethics pit that is Gitmo. It's pretty simple from my vantage point. There is nothing unsecure about closing GITMO.
:shrug: I don't see how that is a controversial stance.
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We can then keep Obama's drone program going, much easier to whack them from 25,000 feet.
Not exactly sure how this is related... but do not support.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:45 pm to MrCarton
quote:I know I was just busting your chops, too bad Obama stopped,started,stopped,amended, then restarted the military tribunals depending on where we were in election cycles.
Cmon man, you know I don't believe that there are no bad guys in the world! Charge the guys, give them a trial, give them back to their home countries, or let them go. Its been done hundreds of times, the world is still turning.
quote:How do you keep them undisclosed? The lawyers and families still have the right to meet with them no?
Once the results of the trial are published, they could even send them to an undisclosed federal prison.
quote:Sure you do, droning them versus catching them was the easier political route, particularly in light of the fact Obama didn't want to try them in the first place.
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We can then keep Obama's drone program going, much easier to whack them from 25,000 feet.
Not exactly sure how this is related... but do not support.
You can run on re election stating your killed them street creds.
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