re: Autopsy Reveals Death of 26-Year-Old Who Developed Myocarditis was Due to Pfizer Vaccine

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Listen, you thick-headed moron. I didn’t say Alzheimer’s Covid deaths were up. Alzheimer’s deaths were up. I didn’t say Diabetes Covid deaths were up. I said Diabetes deaths were up. Get your fricking head out of your arse, man.

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You missed my point. Testing for the virus has been uneven and even mining of death certificates isn’t consistent or perfect. Not every person who had COVID has been identified. We are still learning all the myriad ways the virus affects the body. People with less severe cases from the standpoint of attacking the lungs still died because they had conditions like diabetes and Alzheimer’s that were impacted by other issues not related to the lungs caused by the virus that still led to death. Because we’ve been so focused on pneumonia and respiratory issues in identifying COVID, those virus related deaths were missed. Deaths from those causes didn’t just magically and coincidentally jump during the pandemic.

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That’s pretty easy to work out no?

2019 - A death was just a death. If someone died from suicide it was listed as a suicide.
2020 - Any death is a COVID death. If someone dies after shooting them selves in the head but is also Positive for the WuFlu - COVID musta killed em!!!

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Obviously it’s not very easy to work out because you don’t seem to comprehend what I said. I’m not saying there were 500k+ deaths defined as COVID deaths. I’m saying there were 500k+ more TOTAL deaths in 2020 than in 2019. That kind of jump in deaths doesn’t just randomly happen. If it wasn’t the virus causing most of those extra deaths, then you need to come up with some other plausible explanation for what uniquely happened in 2020 that had never happened before that would lead to so many unexpected deaths. You should be able to find it in the data elsewhere.

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The elevated deaths from those causes has persisted post-lockdown and long past extreme social distancing.

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Link?

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Kenny on Walton and Johnson was reading those stats on air last week.

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So the morally outraged posters in this thread sources are Gateway Pundit, Walton and Johnson, a misunderstanding of the CDC data, and Alex Jones.

Sad.

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I couldn't find any verification of a VAERS report on the VAERS site.

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How would you find verification of it?

It looks like my assessment of the diabetes death toll in 2021 may be more anecdotal and projection than I realized. I was relying heavily on recent research showing increased cases of DKA, but that really only provides indirect evidence. That doesn’t mean the pattern didn’t continue in 2021, only that the data isn’t yet available.

The link below shows that excess diabetic deaths persisted through the second half of 2020 after the most extreme countermeasures had been lifted, but the study notes that there was a reduction in the second time period observed. Looking at the maps, it appears that was mostly driven by the states hit hardest in the first wave (NY, NJ, Illinois, Michigan, Massachusetts and Louisiana). Most of the nation stayed in a similar range or worsened. Given that everyone locked down in the first wave, the impact should have been more uniform across the country if lockdowns were the primary driver. Likewise states like Washington and Oregon with the strictest lockdowns for longer durations should have seen amongst the highest increases. Instead they were amongst the lowest.

What the map does show is a strong correlation between increased diabetic deaths and the states hardest hit by COVID in each wave. That suggests that the worse the pandemic was at any point in time in a particular state, the greater increase there was in diabetic deaths on average.

This, I think, gets to the crux of the disagreement we have. The authors of this paper seem to agree with you about the indirect impacts of the pandemic on diabetic deaths. I think they started with a hypothesis that their data does not contradict, at least to the extent that the indirect impacts were caused by high rates of virus spread and hospitalization. It doesn’t really support a lockdown impact. That said, the data is also consistent with the increase being due to direct COVID impacts that were missed. The more people getting COVID overall, the more that are not going to be diagnosed.

Ultimately, I think we are concerned with two different things. You seem very intent on 100% accurately assigning a direct impact of COVID on deaths and only when there is specific evidence. I am more concerned with determining the overall impact on deaths caused by the pandemic. I believe there are more direct impacts than have been captured, but even if there isn’t, I don’t think it’s any less problematic that high rates of spread of the virus have strained medical resources to the point that more people die of things like diabetes. Either way, actions to reduce the spread were necessary to reduce the overall death toll. Either way, the pandemic caused significant excess deaths.

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So the morally outraged posters in this thread sources are Gateway Pundit, Walton and Johnson, a misunderstanding of the CDC data, and Alex Jones. Sad.

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Yea joy reid, racheal maddow and don lemon are legit sources ya lib commie.

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You seem very intent on 100% accurately assigning a direct impact of COVID on deaths and only when there is specific evidence. I am more concerned with determining the overall impact on deaths caused by the pandemic.

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Eh. You’re dancing past this. That’s cool. You’re rational about it. We just come at it from different starting points.

Now VAERS data is solid! Lol