re: Asians sue Harvard - minority quotas hurting their chance at admission

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diversity is a good thing.

And if a school wants to bring in kids from different backgrounds and they take that into an holistic approach, I have no problem with it.

Everyone that goes to these schools are high achieving.

People act like Harvard is letting in gutter kids with 23s on the ACT

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That raises a good point, though. We only think of diversity in the sense of race and economic disposition. Should we not have diversity in intelligence? Universities should also be admitting people of lower intelligence into their schools. Why does Harvard hate the illiterate?

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diversity is a good thing

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Diversity of thought and culture is a good thing. Different academic standards for different races is backwards and penalizes good performers who happen to not fall into the right racial category.

These acceptance tables for medical schools in the US paint a grim picture about different standards being applied based on race. It's government sanctioned racism, and it's incredibly backwards.

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Any black student with a 3.5 and a 29 MCAT score has an 80% chance of being accepted into a medical school, compared with a 33% chance for whites and 29% chance for Asians.

Black applicants with a 24MCAT and a 3.4 still have a 70% chance of getting in. If your white or Asian child posts those scores, they may as well not bother trying....they have less than a 1 in 4 shot.

3.5 and a 29 MCAT are very good stats.

There is more to being a doctor than those tests.

These students also have the opportunity to showcase themselves in interviews.

Are the Asian and white students lacking there?

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if the students with poor entry scores are passing their boards and are graduating, what is the problem then?

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theoretically, you could have a more stringent licensing exam if you had higher quality students

that's just a theoretical argument

i will say this, it's a major problem in the law field. and when i say "problem" i mean southern's passage rate is abysmal

also, there is an "upscale" problem with minorities that leaves decent/average schools like LSU in a bind. LSU almost had accredidation issues b/c it didn't have enough minority applicants, and it had to SERIOUSLY lower its standards to get some southern law-quality applicants solely to increase minority student numbers

and they were set up to fail. some failed out and others were only saved by secret "minority only" study sessions with professors. not only is this just patently immoral on its face, it sets these kids up for failure when they take the bar (which lessons LSU's stats, which means they can't go up the rankings and will have to settle for the same students, creating a perpetual issue)

that scenario is wrong. if you have mediocre admission stats and upscale your school, i don't have a major issue as long as you are treated the exact same as the remainder of the student population. if you are given even more help along the way, i think it's bullshite

Welcome to the plight of every white kid.

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Hence u say poor, but is 3.5/2MCAT poor?

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Since only 32% of white applicants and 29% of Asian applicants with those scores are ultimately accepted.....those are poor stats for whites and Asians who are trying to get into medical school. Oh well. Better luck next year. Try nursing school.

On the other band, a 3.5 and a 29MCAT an amazing stat for a black applicant. 80% with those stats are accepted into medical schools.

A 3.5 GPA Asian student with a perfect MCAT score still wouldn't have those odds. That's absolute bullshite.

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SlowFlowPro

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There you go with your logical arguments again.

let me be clear. not all minority students needed the help, either. there were plenty of capable minority students

but what sucks for them, is they're linked to the others and will never get credit for their own work. i mean i have to post this clarification just to ensure that people understand that it doesn't apply to them. that's sad to me

and one more ETA: nobody confused me with a good student in law school

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Why aren't these medical schools filled with black and brown kids then? If the standards are so low for these kids?

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They have to graduate first. Black and hispanics have very low graduation rates.