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re: As it turns out, Lerner had NOT been asked about 501c4 tax exemption targeting
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:55 pm to Rex
Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:55 pm to Rex
quote:Why does the IRS claim there are missing emails if it has printed copies? The IRS was able to provide copies of Lerner's emails to and from other IRS personnel by searching the other IRS personnel's computers, the over 24,000 emails you mentioned, but the IRS was unable to produce a single email to or from Lerner to non-IRS personnel. Please tell me that Lerner only started corresponding with non-IRS personnel via email after her computer crashed. That will be another amazing coincidence in a string of them that would make even you believe there is an angry God out to get Lois Lerner.
Show me evidence she didn't print the emails required of her.
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 3:56 pm to Rex
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They also used names like "progressive" for screening.
That is not what she said in her response to the "planted" question.
She specifically mentioned conservative organizations.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:25 pm to Rex
It doesn't take an Einstein to know that the entire process, Lerner pleading the fifth, the destroying of the emails, the deliberate feet dragging in turning over evidence to the commite, etc. points towards guilt. But keep swiping at windmills Rex!
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:48 pm to Rex
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In your own words, what was Ms Lerner doing?
Her job.
Who pleads the fifth then?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:50 pm to ApexTiger
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Who pleads the fifth then?
*boom*
Seriously, Rex is right. Her job is to suppress the counter-revolutionaries. And she did it well. She has no regrets.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:54 pm to mmcgrath
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Most companies with a decent IT component spend at the very least 25% of their budget on IT. Most spend more than that.
In the IRS, the $1.8 Billion for iT likely includes salaries and benefits for 9K employees and contractors, costing an average of about $130K annually per. About $600 million is sunk into the overall program to maintain the images and organization of every tax filing going back decades. Add to that about $100 million for Obamacare programs and you are just about out of money. Now some of the $600 million for the documents may include some salaries and contractors, but there really isn't a lot left over.
1.8 Billion is boat load of Jack Mr. Mmcgrath
We could build a new Dallas Cowboy stadium with that kind of money and still have 600 million left over to spend in Vegas! Every year!!!
I like your explanation of salaries, but I am sorry, 1.8 Billion is just freakin crazy money for an IT budget that seems to be using old technology which proves yet again, Big government swallows up money like quick sand.
Always thirsting for more money
Double the budget and in 5 years they will whine again
Posted on 6/30/14 at 4:55 pm to Wolfhound45
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Rex is right.
This isn't something I see written often!
Posted on 6/30/14 at 5:16 pm to Poodlebrain
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Why does the IRS claim there are missing emails if it has printed copies?
For the umpteenth time, only those emails that qualify as "Federal records" must be printed. Not all emails qualify.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 5:23 pm to Rex
It's one of those things that can't be confirmed. Basically, we are to believe that every email that should have been printed, was. Except the originals are conveniently gone so there is no way to prove it.
Just a lucky break.
Just a lucky break.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 5:51 pm to GRTiger
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It's one of those things that can't be confirmed. Basically, we are to believe that every email that should have been printed, was. Except the originals are conveniently gone so there is no way to prove it.
Why shouldn't we presume she was routinely doing her job? Because of a Republican prejudice against her?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 6:06 pm to Rex
quote:Because she wasn't.
Why shouldn't we presume she was routinely doing her job?
Her emails were backed up, but the backups were apparently not accessed, so they were apparently lost. She emailed in behalf of the IRS from her Blackberry, but has apparently not made those emails available. She planted a targeting question after having been less than forthcoming in Congressional Senate questioning. She blamed the targeting saga on two rogue employees in Cincinnati. She subsequently claimed under oath she'd done nothing wrong.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 6:11 pm to NC_Tigah
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Her emails were backed up, but the backups were apparently not accessed,
What does that mean?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 6:11 pm to Rex
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Why shouldn't we presume she was routinely doing her job? Because of a Republican prejudice against her?
No, because of professional skepticism. If an investigation was warranted, shouldn't a high standard of review applied?
You convinced everyone you were not excusing Lerner from wrongdoing with this thread. Is that what you're doing now now?
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 6/30/14 at 6:14 pm to Rex
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quote: Her emails were backed up, but the backups were apparently not accessed,
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What does that mean?
That is exactly what Gowdy Doody asked the IRS Commish.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 6:32 pm to StrangeBrew
quote:and his answer . . . "I have no idea, I don't know" . . . but despite this, he did somehow claim to know "there was no wrong-doing". Given such clairvoyance, perhaps his name should be changed from Koskinen to Kreskin.
That is exactly what Gowdy Doody asked the IRS Commish.
Oh, and a little extra tidbit about the good Mr. Koskinen
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He has shelled out nearly $100,000 to Democratic candidates and groups. Koskinen has been contributing to Democrats for four decades, starting with a $1000 contribution to Democratic candidate for Colorado Senate candidate Gary Hart in 1979.
Koskinen has been a reliable donor over the years, contributing a total of $19,000 to the Democratic National Committee from 1988 to 2008. He has made a contribution to the Democratic candidate for president in each election since 1980, including $2,300 to Obama in 2008, and $5000 to Obama in 2012.
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee has received $3,000 from Koskinen since 2008, and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee received $2,000 from 2004 to 2006. Hillary Clinton has received $3,800 for her various political campaigns from Koskinen.
Koskinen’s most recent contribution was $2,500 to Sen. Mark Warner (D., Va.) in February of 2013.
LINK
Posted on 6/30/14 at 7:37 pm to Rex
quote:So Lois Lerner did not have one single email to or from a non-IRS employee that was sent or received in transaction of IRS business. bullshite!!! You scoff at others for their faith in God, but here you are expressing your faith that Lois Lerner did not send or receive a single email to or from a non-IRS employee prior to her computer crashing.
For the umpteenth time, only those emails that qualify as "Federal records" must be printed. Not all emails qualify.
I'm not sure which is more pathetic. Your claims of being more rational than believers in God or your attempts to excuse abuses by people who did not cover their tracks competently. Just mull on this fact that you are using as a defense, emails to and from IRS employees >24,000, emails to and from non-IRS employees =0.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 7:39 pm to Poodlebrain
Rex was correct. In certain posts. On some items.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 7:48 pm to Rex
because she's pleading the fifth
Posted on 6/30/14 at 9:37 pm to Hooligan's Ghost
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because she's pleading the fifth
That honestly ends all discussion.
She has this right. And we have a right to know what actions she took while at the IRS.
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