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re: Arizona religious bill that angered gays vetoed
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:51 pm to weedGOKU666
Posted on 2/26/14 at 11:51 pm to weedGOKU666
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I am truly shocked that the poliboard is upset that a bill to allow discrimination was vetoed.
Shocked.
You discriminate every day and probably don't even realize it.
Anyway, why do you not want to let people to do whatever they want the property that they own and it does not belong to you?
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Posted on 2/27/14 at 12:07 am to Godfather1
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If I had to make one against my will, the batter might just get pissed in.
Or maybe it wouldn't.
I'd let you guess. Anyway, enjoy your cake.
What's your opinion of the draft in WWII? Selective Service?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:29 am to Sentrius
So I take it you would still support the bill if the discrimination happened to be racially or gender slanted?
I can see where you're coming from, I just disagree and decided to voice my opinion as snarkily as possible
I can see where you're coming from, I just disagree and decided to voice my opinion as snarkily as possible
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:41 am to weedGOKU666
quote:I'd support the bill if it didn't specify any groups and allowed businesses to discriminate for whatever reasons they wanted.
So I take it you would still support the bill if the discrimination happened to be racially or gender slanted?
Businesses that only serve gingers? A-ok.
Businesses that only serve blacks? A-ok.
Businesses that refuse to serve males? A-ok.
I could keep going, but I think you get the point.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 1:51 am to weedGOKU666
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So I take it you would still support the bill if the discrimination happened to be racially or gender slanted?
Of course, the individual that was rejected can use the free market composed of that business's peers to let everybody know that business is bigoted as frick and not to give them their money.
This happened in liberal land Oregon and a town there used the free market and cut off the business to customers and profits through peaceful means and not using gov't force. It's impossible for a business to have any recourse against the free market without the force of the state.
There should be no protected class laws forced on the private sector at all. It should only apply to the public sector in activities, buildings and professions that are publicly funded.
Bottom line here, to deny people property rights means to turn people into property owned by the state.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 2:30 am to Sentrius
quote:
Of course, the individual that was rejected can use the free market composed of that business's peers to let everybody know that business is bigoted as frick and not to give them their money.
This happened in liberal land Oregon and a town there used the free market and cut off the business to customers and profits through peaceful means and not using gov't force. It's impossible for a business to have any recourse against the free market without the force of the state.
There should be no protected class laws forced on the private sector at all. It should only apply to the public sector in activities, buildings and professions that are publicly funded.
Bottom line here, to deny people property rights means to turn people into property owned by the state.
So if you are gay, don't live in small social conservative town, USA. In many small towns, their isn't much of free market.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 4:41 am to Socratics
If a baker in AZ doesn't want to bake the cake, they do not have to. The bill was written to solve a "problem" that doesn't exist there. The states where people have sued bakers for not baking cakes were in states that did have laws that prohibited businesses to refuse service.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:20 am to Socratics
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So if you are gay, don't live in small social conservative town, USA. In many small towns, their isn't much of free market.
They can bake their own damn cake. It's not up to others to provide all services for you on your demand as you like. Private business comes at great cost to start and operate for the owner. The gays that sued didn't pay a dime but demanded like Veruca Salt.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:23 am to los angeles tiger
Isn't being forced to perform labor against your will involuntary servitude? Seems like this is a violation of the 13th Amendment.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:23 am to weedGOKU666
quote:The veto mandates discrimination.
So I take it you would still support the bill if the discrimination happened to be racially or gender slanted?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:25 am to udtiger
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Isn't being forced to perform labor against your will involuntary servitude? Seems like this is a violation of the 13th Amendment.
Yes, but the left has a rich history of being strong supporters of slavery.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:33 am to Socratics
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So if you are gay, don't live in small social conservative town, USA. In many small towns, their isn't much of free market.
We'll never reach our full potential as a nation until everyone has the ability to buy a cake in any town in the USA!!!
Question - a gay couple in Roosterpoot, AR is planning a ceremony and decides to go to Little Rock to get their cake. They don't like the local baker because he displays Bible stuff in his store, even though he is more than happy to sell them a cake. Should laws be passed restricting how far someone can travel to buy a cake?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 7:36 am to udtiger
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Gutless.
It will win her nothing.
LOL. She previously vetoed a similar bill.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:11 am to ForeLSU
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a gay couple in Roosterpoot, AR is planning a ceremony and decides to go to Little Rock to get their cake. They don't like the local baker because he displays Bible stuff in his store, even though he is more than happy to sell them a cake
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . boom !
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:15 am to ForeLSU
I think the fagulas should be forced to make all of their purchases at Christian owned businesses because to not do so would be discrimination, which we can't allow.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:20 am to Scruffy
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I'd support the bill if it didn't specify any groups and allowed businesses to discriminate for whatever reasons they wanted.
Businesses that only serve gingers? A-ok.
Businesses that only serve blacks? A-ok.
Businesses that refuse to serve males? A-ok.
I could keep going, but I think you get the point.
within a year or so we'd have at least some of the same problems we had during jim crow. i know people to young to remember firsthand think that couldn't possibly happen, but they'd be wrong.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:20 am to NC_Tigah
quote:quote:
a gay couple in Roosterpoot, AR is planning a ceremony and decides to go to Little Rock to get their cake. They don't like the local baker because he displays Bible stuff in his store, even though he is more than happy to sell them a cake
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . boom !
I don't understand why this is a boom.
Is the boom the fact that the militant gays will fail to goad this baker into choosing to not bake a cake?
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:21 am to VOR
quote:You haven't read the bill, have you.
within a year or so we'd have at least some of the same problems we had during jim crow.
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:25 am to VOR
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same problems we had during jim crow
you are commingling state mandated discrimination with private discrimination
these are not the same
Posted on 2/27/14 at 8:31 am to VOR
Jim Crow laws forced private business to segregate blacks and whites. It was government force just like the laws forcing Christian business owners to go against their conscience or be sued by the state.
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