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Are we past point of no return for justice?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:34 pm
Suppose there were people at the highest level of our government ordering the IRS to act as a political weapon. These same people also are in charge of the NSA and DOJ. If they are willing to use IRS as a political weapon, wouldnt them using the NSA as a political weapon be very likely?
Hypothetically(or maybe not), these people have blatantly broken the law. Do we really think that these same people who have so blantantly broken the law are just going to idly sit by as another poltical party takes their power? Do we really think that these people who have control of power like the NSA are going to allow themselves to be investigated and prosecuted?
I dont think these people are going to willingly give up their power. I certainly dont believe they are going to allow a political enemy to take their power with the possibility of them paying for their crimes.
Thoughts?
Hypothetically(or maybe not), these people have blatantly broken the law. Do we really think that these same people who have so blantantly broken the law are just going to idly sit by as another poltical party takes their power? Do we really think that these people who have control of power like the NSA are going to allow themselves to be investigated and prosecuted?
I dont think these people are going to willingly give up their power. I certainly dont believe they are going to allow a political enemy to take their power with the possibility of them paying for their crimes.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:36 pm to bamafan1001
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:42 pm to bamafan1001
Get this idea into your head:
Barring a collapse, the size and power of FedGov will continue to grow. There will be no real change in how things are done.
Try to enjoy your life as best you can in the system we have.
Barring a collapse, the size and power of FedGov will continue to grow. There will be no real change in how things are done.
Try to enjoy your life as best you can in the system we have.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:44 pm to weagle99
Not even then; with a collapse the feds would only seize and consolidate even more power.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:45 pm to bamafan1001
There are no real political enemies. The people at the top will never pay for their crimes.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:54 pm to weagle99
quote:Compliments of neocons. Libs love government, but Bush gave us more government than any President before him.
Barring a collapse, the size and power of FedGov will continue to grow. There will be no real change in how things are done.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:20 pm to bamafan1001
This is one of the reasons why I don't think government employees should be allowed to vote.
They should be separated from political parties as much as possible and I think that would help.
They should be separated from political parties as much as possible and I think that would help.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:23 pm to blueboy
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Compliments of neocons. Libs love government, but Bush gave us more government than any President before him.
And Obama didnt?? Every president in modern times has grown the fed gov over what it was when he took office
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:11 pm to blueboy
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Compliments of neocons. Libs love government, but Bush gave us more government than any President before him.
Bush cracked open the door. Obama kicked it open.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:25 pm to blueboy
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Compliments of neocons. Libs love government, but Bush gave us more government than any President before him.
Well this justifies everything! I'm so glad you posted. I feel so much better.
Now, go outside and wait for the short bus.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:32 pm to bamafan1001
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Bush cracked open the door. Obama kicked it open.
Good point. No President prior to Bush had ever expanded government.
Geeeze under what rocks do you people live?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:43 pm to Gray Tiger
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quote:
Bush cracked open the door. Obama kicked it open.
Good point. No President prior to Bush had ever expanded government.
Geeeze under what rocks do you people live?
Its not just about expanding government, its about expandion of the power that government has, especially individuals at the highest level of government.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:09 pm to bamafan1001
The government will grow as much as it can, appeasing the masses along the way. Eventually, it cannot afford to keep the status quo and then stuff gets real. 
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:37 pm to RockyMtnTide
The only way to stop these guys from gaining more power and/or abusing everyone is by a constitutional convention via the state legislators.
Thugs never give up power voluntarily.
Thugs never give up power voluntarily.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:40 pm to bamafan1001
This is what Nixon was doing in the seventies. It's not exactly a new thing.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:21 am to bamafan1001
This country is fricked. I believe it more with every passing day.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:30 am to wmr
quote:Leave before it's too late.
This country is fricked. I believe it more with every passing day.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 5:56 am to weagle99
Things will only change when the general populace cares more about the gov't actions than who is the next american idol.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:41 am to blueboy
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Compliments of neocons. Libs love government, but Bush gave us more government than any President before him.
Learn your history better.
Government overreach on the scale we see it today goes back as far as at least Woodrow Wilson (some would argue Teddy Roosevelt). Go back even further and you'll see isolated instances in the cases of Lincoln, Polk, and Jackson.
I know it's fashionable to hate on George Bush, but to think this all started with him is just ignorant.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:45 am to Jim Rockford
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This is what Nixon was doing in the seventies.
If only we had the same engaged media from the seventies.
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