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Are there any libs out there that support a secure border?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:55 am
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:55 am
Do they exist?
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Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:57 am to GumboPot
Seems not.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:58 am to GumboPot
and keep out all those future voters, PLEASE!
Posted on 11/21/14 at 9:58 am to goatmilker
While I am not a lib I am more to the left than many on this board and I definitely support a hard arse approach to the borders.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:02 am to GumboPot
Conservatives must admit that a tall, long arse fence on the Mexican border (covering the entire border) is an infeasible, extremly expensive concept.
If you seriously want a fence, I just shake my head.
If you seriously want a fence, I just shake my head.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:05 am to Cole Beer
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Conservatives must admit that a tall, long arse fence on the Mexican border (covering the entire border) is an infeasible, extremly expensive concept.
I'd rather have the US military on the border than in Afghanistan or Iraq. At least here they're protecting the sovereignty of the US, and not getting killed for no reason at all.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:06 am to Cole Beer
quote:
Conservatives must admit that a tall, long arse fence on the Mexican border (covering the entire border) is an infeasible, extremly expensive concept. If you seriously want a fence, I just shake my head.
The US spent 48.4 billion dollars in foreign aid in 2012 alone. There is money to build a secure fence or implement at least a sophisticated and effective way to keep from crossing the border.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:08 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:
I'd rather have the US military on the border than in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Hell, bring the troops home from South Korea. They have a ton of border enforcement experience.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:08 am to Cole Beer
quote:
Conservatives must admit that a tall, long arse fence on the Mexican border (covering the entire border) is an infeasible, extremly expensive concept.
It doesn't have to be the Berlin Wall and, no, it doesn't stop drug running, but it most certainly puts a huge dent in human smuggling/border jumping.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:09 am to Cole Beer
quote:
Conservatives must admit that a tall, long arse fence on the Mexican border (covering the entire border) is an infeasible, extremly expensive concept.
If you seriously want a fence, I just shake my head.
Do you even engineer?
If India can do it I'm sure the USA could. Not to mention it's a great project for shovel ready jobs.
Will a fence be perfect? No. Will it drastically cut down on illegal crossings? Yes.
I mean the White House has a fence and it does a pretty good job of preventing illegal crossings.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:09 am to GumboPot
quote:Of course they do.
Are there any libs out there that support a secure border?
Do they exist?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:10 am to GumboPot
And stop the influx of hot Latinas. Hell no.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:11 am to Erin Go Bragh
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Hell, bring the troops home from South Korea. They have a ton of border enforcement experience.
Exactly. That slant-eyed little midget in North Korea is not going to do anything.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:12 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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'd rather have the US military on the border
But immigrants crossing the border will just fall into our military's arms and we will be forced to take them and place them into refugee camps. Who knows what happens then.
At least a huge freaking fence is a major physical deterrent. And people that think a fence cannot be built are idiots.
This post was edited on 11/21/14 at 10:15 am
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:13 am to sugar71
I suppose for this board, I'd be considered a liberal, but that's another matter. I support a secure border - question is, how is it accomplished?
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:15 am to Cole Beer
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Conservatives must admit that a tall, long arse fence
Denied.
What is expensive is open borders, cripplingly so.
quote:
(covering the entire border) is an infeasible, extremly expensive concept.
Of course we can't have an airtight wall - wall/fence in some places, electronic/surveillance to fill in the gaps in others. The illegals will find the gaps in the system, but we have to attempt to close those.
Again, creating a disincentive to them being here will reverse the flow. I'm for a comprehensive system which allows for work visas, health checks, ending birthright citizenship for children of illegals, and cracking down on employers who exploit these people, essentially at slave's wages with little to no rights, protections, workplace safety, etc.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:15 am to GumboPot
quote:And then you failed.
I mean the White House has a fence and it does a pretty good job of preventing illegal crossings.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:15 am to Cole Beer
quote:
Conservatives must admit that a tall, long arse fence on the Mexican border (covering the entire border) is an infeasible, extremly expensive concept. If you seriously want a fence, I just shake my head.
It's cheaper than you think. We could have a high quality fence built in half the estimated time by using illegal immigrant laborers and pay then $2.50 an hour. There would be an endless supply of said workers who would happily provide this service for specified wage.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:17 am to Cole Beer
You just don't build a fence and walk away.
You use a combination of walls, natural terrain, boots on ground, quick reaction and surveillance.
If there is "a want" it can be done.
You use a combination of walls, natural terrain, boots on ground, quick reaction and surveillance.
If there is "a want" it can be done.
Posted on 11/21/14 at 10:18 am to goatmilker
quote:I wouldn't mind a plan on this laid out. The R's in Congress should commission a few plans to chose from.
You just don't build a fence and walk away.
You use a combination of walls, natural terrain, boots on ground, quick reaction and surveillance.
If there is "a want" it can be done.
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