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re: Are most of you actually Pro-Life?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 4:44 am to SpyBoy
Posted on 6/23/17 at 4:44 am to SpyBoy
Yes. I don't believe abortion should be used as birth control, especially other forms of birth control are so readily available.
Only in extreme cases, such as conception from rape, do I support an abortion.
Only in extreme cases, such as conception from rape, do I support an abortion.
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 4:44 am to SpyBoy
quote:Odd perception. Probably more indicative of perspective set from your leftward skew, i.e., increased personal freedom and less government intrusion is not "hard right" regardless of contrasts with your own positions. This board is more libertarian than left or right.
This board has always been hard right
quote:Case in point
Reason I ask is most of you also seems generally sour on the war on drugs and/or other federal level criminal justice endeavors. I feel like many of you even would argue for a highly decriminalized drug policy due to its being ineffective.
quote:Odd question.
Are any of you for making abortion legal due to political reasons, or is it all moral/religious?
At some point nearly all law falls into positions coincident with moral belief.
For example, it should be illegal to take the life of a viable infant. Viable being defined as capable of living external to the uterus. Accounting for DOC/EGA errors the cutoff for legal abortion should then be ~20wksEGA. I'd consider that a "moral" position. But morality/religion have nothing to do with it.
Also the law should be consistent, shouldn't it.
If a pregnant woman on her way to get an abortion gets shot in the abdomen, killing her fetus, how can the assailant be charged with murder?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 4:51 am to SpyBoy
I have no problem with our drug laws (As they are) or abortion being illegal.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 4:59 am to SpyBoy
Pro-Life.
I don't condone killing kids,infants,babies,or fetuses.
Even though I occasionally use marijuana,I have no problem with the Drug Laws.I've lived almost 56 years under Marijuana Prohibition so it's not that big a deal.
I don't condone killing kids,infants,babies,or fetuses.
Even though I occasionally use marijuana,I have no problem with the Drug Laws.I've lived almost 56 years under Marijuana Prohibition so it's not that big a deal.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 5:05 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:09 am to SpyBoy
Depends on the situation.
Sometimes there is a medical necessity to save the mother or other tragic event.
I also dont have a problem with the morning after pill for rape victims. I don't have a problem with the morning after pill for everyone. And I definitely don't have a problem with birth control.
But abortions by a mother because she was too stupid to use birth control and would rather just snuff out her kid than raise it I have a major problem with. I wouldn't mind if they killed those people. Like if you walked into an abortion clinic in your second trimester and said go ahead and kill my child, they should just kill that woman.
Abortion by choice after the first trimester, or even the first couple weeks, is absolutely sickening and disgusting. The type of human being who can make that choice should lose their ability to procreate.
If you want to have a midterm abortion simply because you cannot take responsibility for your actions, you should also have a mandatory hysterectomy. Done. Over with. You made your choice.
Also, so you don't think I'm sexist, any man on government assistance should receive a vasectomy if they have a child that they cannot support without further government assistance.
Sometimes there is a medical necessity to save the mother or other tragic event.
I also dont have a problem with the morning after pill for rape victims. I don't have a problem with the morning after pill for everyone. And I definitely don't have a problem with birth control.
But abortions by a mother because she was too stupid to use birth control and would rather just snuff out her kid than raise it I have a major problem with. I wouldn't mind if they killed those people. Like if you walked into an abortion clinic in your second trimester and said go ahead and kill my child, they should just kill that woman.
Abortion by choice after the first trimester, or even the first couple weeks, is absolutely sickening and disgusting. The type of human being who can make that choice should lose their ability to procreate.
If you want to have a midterm abortion simply because you cannot take responsibility for your actions, you should also have a mandatory hysterectomy. Done. Over with. You made your choice.
Also, so you don't think I'm sexist, any man on government assistance should receive a vasectomy if they have a child that they cannot support without further government assistance.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 5:24 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:22 am to SpyBoy
Killing babies and smoking dope are not the same.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:24 am to SpyBoy
Abortion is murder I don't care how you rationalize it. I'm anti-murder.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:24 am to SpyBoy
quote:
I'm one of the few liberals that peruses this board
What even is a liberal? That word needs to be retired as true modern and classical liberalism is dead (or called libertarians, now). Take your true label of Progressive or Statist.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:26 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
quote:
it's murder
Nope.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:26 am to SpyBoy
Pro-choice...a woman has the choice whether or not to spread her legs. Once she does though, I'm extremely anti-murder. And it's not a religious thing - I'm an atheist. Basic science.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:28 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
Nope
Technically you are correct, as murder requires an unlawful act, and in this country it's not illegal to kill your child until it's born.
But Abortion is the premeditated killing of another human being.
I've never understood why people who are 100% pro-choice have a problem with a parent murdering their child. Why does the "choice" stop at birth? Can you explain that to me?
You have no problem with a doctor murdering a child that's 8 months in the womb. But less than two months later if the mother drowns it in a bathtub at home yall freak out. Why wouldn't you defend that as the mother's choice?
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 5:33 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:34 am to Breesus
quote:
You have no problem with a doctor murdering a child that's 8 months in the womb.
This is where your premise fails. I do have a problem with this, and so do most.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:35 am to TigrrrDad
quote:
I'm extremely anti-murder.
quote:
Basic science.
Which you apparently failed.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:37 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
This is where your premise fails. I do have a problem with this, and so do most.
How was I supposed to know you had a problem with it? You said you're pro-abortion.
Why do you have a problem with it? You already said it's not murder.
So where do you draw the line? And why?
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 5:39 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:42 am to Breesus
quote:
How was I supposed to know you had a problem with it?
You could've asked.
quote:
You said you're pro-abortion.
Where did I say that?
quote:
So where do you draw the line? And why?
20-22 weeks, but I'm certainly open for arguments to it being sooner in the pregnancy.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:46 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
20-22 weeks
Why?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:48 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Tiny human at 20 weeks
Tiny human at 22 weeks
Tiny human at 22 weeks
Posted on 6/23/17 at 5:55 am to roadGator
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:01 am to SpyBoy
I think one of the main reasons conservativs are so pro life is because the libs are the complete opposite. You know since we all can't agree on anything ever. This is true for many things, not just abortion.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:19 am to SpyBoy
Remember the Germans who lived next to the concentration camps but said " we didn't know" after the war,anyone who is for abortion is no better.
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