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Another data point for the marijuana legalization camp
Posted on 4/3/17 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 4/3/17 at 2:57 pm
Medical marijuana policies and hospitalizations related to marijuana and opioid pain reliever.
Important point:
This flies directly in the face of the claims made by Jeff Sessions:
Granted, it isn't "solving" the crisis... but why should we ignore beneficial tools in the process? Do you agree with his assertion that marijuana is only "slightly less awful"?
Important point:
quote:
Hospitalizations related to marijuana and OPR increased sharply by 300% on average in all states. Medical marijuana legalization was associated with 23% (p = 0.008) and 13% (p = 0.025) reductions in hospitalizations related to opioid dependence or abuse and OPR overdose, respectively; lagged effects were observed after policy implementation. The operation of medical marijuana dispensaries had no independent impacts on OPR-related hospitalizations. Medical marijuana polices had no associations with marijuana-related hospitalizations.
This flies directly in the face of the claims made by Jeff Sessions:
quote:
I reject the idea that America will be a better place if marijuana is sold in every corner store. And I am astonished to hear people suggest that we can solve our heroin crisis by legalizing marijuana – so people can trade one life-wrecking dependency for another that’s only slightly less awful. Our nation needs to say clearly once again that using drugs will destroy your life. In the ’80s and ’90s, we saw how campaigns stressing prevention brought down drug use and addiction. We can do this again.
Granted, it isn't "solving" the crisis... but why should we ignore beneficial tools in the process? Do you agree with his assertion that marijuana is only "slightly less awful"?
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Posted on 4/3/17 at 2:59 pm to rbWarEagle
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Hospitalizations related to marijuana and OPR increased sharply by 300% on average in all states.
Seems to be bad news
Posted on 4/3/17 at 3:10 pm to rebeloke
quote:quote:
Hospitalizations related to marijuana and OPR increased sharply by 300% on average in all states.
Seems to be bad news
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While occasional use is not without health risks, marijuana is most harmful to regular users and early initiators and largely harmless to most occasional users (Hall, 2009).
This implies that hospitalizations are likely just due to new users who are not used to the effects.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 3:11 pm to rbWarEagle
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so people can trade one life-wrecking dependency for another that’s only slightly less awful.
There aren't enough
for this completely idiotic statement.Posted on 4/3/17 at 3:15 pm to DallasTiger11
Makes you wonder about our AG's ability to reason. He's either unable to address facts or unwilling (due to possible conflicts of interest). Either answer is troubling, in my opinion.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 3:21 pm to rbWarEagle
I was once very stern on voting no for the legalization of pot.
Im currently taking a class where the local Narcotics Enforcement Team came in and was discussing the severity of illegal drugs in our community. I asked him what he thought about the political argument for legalization. He said that all he was going to say was 75% of the time that a gun was drawn is when taking down drug crimes related to pot (which was very surprising). I will say that his one testimony has got me on the fence.
Im currently taking a class where the local Narcotics Enforcement Team came in and was discussing the severity of illegal drugs in our community. I asked him what he thought about the political argument for legalization. He said that all he was going to say was 75% of the time that a gun was drawn is when taking down drug crimes related to pot (which was very surprising). I will say that his one testimony has got me on the fence.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 3:30 pm to PaperTiger
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He said that all he was going to say was 75% of the time that a gun was drawn is when taking down drug crimes related to pot (which was very surprising).
Maybe there wouldn't be instances of drawing weapons if pot were legal.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 3:36 pm to PaperTiger
In the criminal justice system in my first hand experience, seems that few people are still against pot legalization. Most are ambivalent or pro legalization. This includes judges cops and assistant DAs that I know. it's just an entrenched lobby and politicians who see no benefit to garnering the pot head vote, as they see it.
The best way to appeal to the drug warriors is the financial aspect, IMO.
The best way to appeal to the drug warriors is the financial aspect, IMO.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 3:53 pm to 14&Counting
Well you would have to think that the drug people would just shift. The people pulling guns I assume are dealers, and if there is nothing to deal, they just move onto something they can deal.
At least thats the theory in my head.
At least thats the theory in my head.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:10 pm to PaperTiger
quote:I don't really care about pot one way or the other. I can legally smoke it here in Colorado but I have no desire to do so. That being said, I think it's bad reasoning to legalize something because there are too many criminals or because those tied to that criminal behavior are more violent or dangerous in some way. Essentially that argument is "regardless of whether it is right or wrong, it's not worth it to enforce".
I was once very stern on voting no for the legalization of pot.
Im currently taking a class where the local Narcotics Enforcement Team came in and was discussing the severity of illegal drugs in our community. I asked him what he thought about the political argument for legalization. He said that all he was going to say was 75% of the time that a gun was drawn is when taking down drug crimes related to pot (which was very surprising). I will say that his one testimony has got me on the fence.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:25 pm to rbWarEagle
Muh weeeed
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:35 pm to Mr.Perfect
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Muh weeeed
Truly thought-provoking response. Thanks.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:51 pm to rbWarEagle
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Makes you wonder about our AG's ability to reason. He's either unable to address facts or unwilling (due to possible conflicts of interest). Either answer is troubling, in my opinion.
You just described every politician.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:52 pm to rbWarEagle
quote:
I reject the idea that America will be a better place if marijuana is sold in every corner store. And I am astonished to hear people suggest that we can solve our heroin crisis by legalizing marijuana – so people can trade one life-wrecking dependency for another that’s only slightly less awful.
Dude is out of touch with reality. Weed and heroin are not even in the same ballpark.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:53 pm to FooManChoo
Thats my dilemma. I want to say the law is the law.
If cops are taking a major risk for pot, a schedule 1 drug, than they are all 3 of the other schedules combined, especially when its legal in 1/5 of the US, I can see a need to possibly legalize it. I may rather the cops focus their time on getting things like meth, coke, crack, heroin off the streets and out of the neighborhoods.
Im not sure which one I would choose at the moment. I thought that was an interesting fact.
If cops are taking a major risk for pot, a schedule 1 drug, than they are all 3 of the other schedules combined, especially when its legal in 1/5 of the US, I can see a need to possibly legalize it. I may rather the cops focus their time on getting things like meth, coke, crack, heroin off the streets and out of the neighborhoods.
Im not sure which one I would choose at the moment. I thought that was an interesting fact.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:56 pm to cahoots
Marijuana should be mandatory starting at age 21 in this country. We would have a lot fewer drunk idiots running around for starters.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:56 pm to rbWarEagle
Thought: is that really how we come across?
Answer: Yes
Answer: Yes
Posted on 4/3/17 at 5:05 pm to Mr.Perfect
quote:
Thought: is that really how we come across?
Answer: Yes
I think your interpretation has more to say about you than it does about me.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 5:06 pm to i am dan
quote:
You just described every politician.
I understand your sentiment, but that's not exactly true (Rand Paul, for instance). However, not all of these people are our appointed AG.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 6:17 pm to cahoots
Fentanyl is a schedule II drug. Marijuana is schedule I.
Which one kills more people?
Which one is a felony for any kind of illegal possession?
Marijuana is the only drug is both schedule I and yet a misdemeanor crime for first time possession. It defies logic.
What is schedule I you ask?
1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
Which one kills more people?
Which one is a felony for any kind of illegal possession?
Marijuana is the only drug is both schedule I and yet a misdemeanor crime for first time possession. It defies logic.
What is schedule I you ask?
1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
This post was edited on 4/3/17 at 6:20 pm
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