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re: Anonymous just released the name and a pic of the cop....
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:35 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:35 pm to Fun Bunch
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I think in this case, not releasing the name is pretty reasonable.
Look at what the idiot mob has already done, not knowing any facts whatsoever.
What did the idiot mob do? I see the police pointing guns and telling the rioters to turn off their cameras and disperse
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Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:09 pm to NukemVol
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The cartel threatened to chop off heads, and Anon backed down. That's backing down...probably for a good reason.
Not according to........them. quote:
by FREEACUNA | June 28, 2013 - 9:07am
We are Anonymous FREEACUNA. We agree entirely with this article. It was well written. We would ask that you read this Spanish article written about us by YoSoyRED. It received over 10,000 reads as we were asked for questions. https://yosoyred.com/2013/06/el-grupo-que-casi-desarticula-a-los-zetas-la... Concerning our website, we shut it down as soon as we posted the addresses of the house in Del Rio, Texas where our Acuña PRI Mayoral Candidate lives at. We had an informant in his political party that relayed to us that he had called the CISEN, equivalent to a mixture of NSA and FBI here in Mexico. The PRI Candidate is on ZETAS payroll, as stated he lives in DEL RIO, TEXAS. We went to quiet mode, but more active than ever, we simply cut every possible weak link that could get the CISEN to find us.
What is our list of demands? We have not faced retaliation by the ZETAS yet in our 4th month of operations, we learned from #OpCartel in 2011 (we were not a part of that) and we determined for this #OpAcuñaLibre that we truly had to be Anonymous, the Zetas in Veracruz knew where member lived, here in Acuña they have no idea who we are. We have no list of demands. We do not threat them with YouTube Videos. We simply do. We also learned since we started that we cannot fight the ZETAS if we do not fight the PRI party. Both are arms of a deformed body. We have no list of demands. Our goal was to stand up and fight. We wanted to leave a print on our history that during the Narco Wars of the 21st Century in Mexico, a group called Anonymous FREEACUNA stood up to fight. It has not been easy, other people here in Mexico are scared and fearful as both the ZETAS and the PRI have done a horrible job of scaring our people. But as we stand up, others are beginning to stand up. We have created our first alliance with an Anonymous Group in Chiapas, they are called LEGION CHIAPAS. They are a young and numerous group that had almost no knowledge in cyber security, we took them under our wing and have trained them. We are duplicating ourselves in others. They recently joined with us in their first cyber DDOS attack against our local PRI Mayoral Candidate's website. We have been contacted by other ANONYMOUS Groups in Mexico but almost all of them are in the Mexico City area, far from us. They have other priorities as the narco wars are not as close to them as up in the border region. We only use pastebin and twitter to share our information for our security. We also posted our CREED, which are the 5 laws that rule in our collective Anonymous FREEACUNA, this had not happened before in Anonymous https://pastebin.com/QkegK35p We believe in no paperstorming, we believe in taking the mask off and infiltrating the Political Parties and Government agencies as well as Narco businesses. We believe that one conversation overheard is ten times more valuable than a hack job. A hacking allows the enemy to know we were there, we do not want our enemies to know we are there. We believe that each Anonymous group has to evolve to accomodate their environment. Although there is no leadership in Anonymous, there are different amounts of experience within the collective, that experience has to be duplicated. Thank you @freeacuna
From Small Wars Journal - pretty interesting backstory too
@ OP - sorry for going on a tangent about this, but it does involve ANON
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:13 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Do you think a cop has never killed a white man and the white "community" thought it was unjustified?
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I'm not asking for that cop's name to be withheld, either?
That doesn't mean either "community" is correct for thinking the shooting was unjustified.
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I don't get the point of the question. i think if a police officer discharges his gun, it should be a matter of public information. White, black, or canine "victim".
If a lynch mob is roaming the streets rioting and/or looting as a result of the shooting of a white, black, or canine "victim" then the identity of the cop should be kept secret for as long as is deemed necessary.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:26 pm to DawgfaninCa
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That doesn't mean either "community" is correct for thinking the shooting was unjustified.
Of course NOT. I even said I was not claiming the cop did anything wrong. JEEBUS!! What does the "community" have to do with the idea of a government NOT keeping secrets from the people?
I think it should be a matter of public information. frick either "community"s pigmentation or butt-hurt.
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If a lynch mob is roaming the streets rioting and/or looting as a result of the shooting of a white, black, or canine "victim"
Then, the Gov. should deal with them: information, force, 'hunker down'...I don't know. But, that is a separate criminal act and should be handled.
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then the identity of the cop should be kept secret for as long as is deemed necessary.
frick that. I don't want the government deciding when and what it can "keep secret for its own good"
Sorry. "We are scared" is a lousy excuse for government secrecy.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:28 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
A police officer was shot and killed in the city where I grew up. They did not release the name of the shooter for a few days. They referred to him as suspect, or shooter.
White officer. Black shooter. No national news. No riots. No looting. No Al Sharpton.
White officer. Black shooter. No national news. No riots. No looting. No Al Sharpton.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:33 pm to cacspertheghost
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What did the idiot mob do? I see the police pointing guns and telling the rioters to turn off their cameras and disperse
You mean between causing millions in property damage, looting several stores, chanting "kill the Police" .... why nothing - they have been perfect angels.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:36 pm to graves1
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A police officer was shot and killed in the city where I grew up. They did not release the name of the shooter for a few days. They referred to him as suspect, or shooter.
Pretty safe bet this is not the first altercation where a name has been withheld for less than 5 days from the incident (including those that did not have people chanting "kill the police").
Note: I would prefer they release the name but I get why they aren't and it is nothing remote close to unprecedented.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:41 pm to cacspertheghost
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What did the idiot mob do?
Get real dude. The mob has acted like idiots and the police have acted like idiots.
But to release the cops info to this mob would be a death sentence.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:42 pm to graves1
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A police officer was shot and killed in the city where I grew up. They did not release the name of the shooter for a few days. They referred to him as suspect, or shooter.
White officer. Black shooter. No national news. No riots. No looting. No Al Sharpton.
And?
Why do you folks seem to think I am being inconsistent?
I can list a litany of things that have occurred that I think are incorrectly handled.
I have zero knowledge of the incident you mention. My default position is Gov. should have an extraordinary burden to meet to keep ANY secrets from the people.
"I'm scared the mob will attack" does not meet that threshold for me.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:47 pm to Toddy
I can give a shite what happens in St. Louis, and I'm going to ignore it since it's pretty much going to be political spin from here until November.
I would not release the name of the officer for that reason. It's bad enough that people will exploit the death of a kid for this....you know that police officer's life will be ruined either way. I'd wait until more of the facts came out.
I would not release the name of the officer for that reason. It's bad enough that people will exploit the death of a kid for this....you know that police officer's life will be ruined either way. I'd wait until more of the facts came out.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:47 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
What right do you have to know the name of the officer? What right? It is an ongoing investigation. Being handled by three different agencies.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:53 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I don't get the point of the question. i think if a police officer discharges his gun, it should be a matter of public information. White, black, or canine "victim".
...eventually.
But, when civil unrest exists to the extent it does right now, and an investigation is ongoing, I think the decision to not release the name is reasonable for now.
At some point, it needs be released. But, let it be released with enough information for the situation to be framed in a light consistent with the results of the investigation.
Ex: Officer Smith was involved in the incident and will not be charged because of x, y, and z.
or
Ex: Officer Smith was involved in the incident. Charges were filed and Officer Smith is in custody.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:54 pm to graves1
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What right do you have to know the name of the officer? What right?
Gov. agent acting for a Gov entity.
No secrets.
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It is an ongoing investigation.
And, the name will not hinder that in any way
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Being handled by three different agencies.
Not impressed by multiple layers of Gov. Sorry.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:57 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Of course NOT. I even said I was not claiming the cop did anything wrong. JEEBUS!! What does the "community" have to do with the idea of a government NOT keeping secrets from the people?
I think it should be a matter of public information. frick either "community"s pigmentation or butt-hurt.
I never said you claimed the cop did anything wrong.
However, it's the black community not the white community that riots and/or loots when they THINK the shooting was unjustified.
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Then, the Gov. should deal with them: information, force, 'hunker down'...I don't know. But, that is a separate criminal act and should be handled.
Yeah, and a way to deal with rioters and/or looters is to declare martial law and impose a dusk to dawn curfew.
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then the identity of the cop should be kept secret for as long as is deemed necessary.
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frick that. I don't want the government deciding when and what it can "keep secret for its own good"
Sorry. "We are scared" is a lousy excuse for government secrecy.
Jeez, you're as bad as the Palestinians telling Israel what Israel has to do before the Gaza war is ended.
Tell the rioters to stop rioting and when they stop and things calm down then the name of the cop will be released.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 8/14/14 at 3:00 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
What secret? They just have not released his name yet. Yet.
Just because a mob is asking, they should tell. Is the victim any less dead without the officers name? Will threats against the officer hinder police work?
And as far as the incident I mentioned. You should have known his name. A good man was killed.
Just because a mob is asking, they should tell. Is the victim any less dead without the officers name? Will threats against the officer hinder police work?
And as far as the incident I mentioned. You should have known his name. A good man was killed.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 3:06 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
I am not impressed with the low life actions of this community. I thought by now we would be beyond all this mayhem in the streets in the name of racist bull melarchy. It has been some 50 years since NY, LA, and the riotous behavior that befell our cities then. I am not a pessimist but this is just downright shameful to still being carried on in American cities. The folks rioting and looting do not care one iota about justice. They care about destruction of property and taking from someone else because they can.
In NY it started as block wars with blacks and jews and escalated to hate the police.
This is a sad time for blacks in America. If you do not care about anything else in this country, care about yourselves and what you are doing to yourselves.
In NY it started as block wars with blacks and jews and escalated to hate the police.
This is a sad time for blacks in America. If you do not care about anything else in this country, care about yourselves and what you are doing to yourselves.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 3:35 pm to themunch
The riots in LA were 20 years ago, not 50
Posted on 8/14/14 at 3:48 pm to joshnorris14
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The riots in LA were 20 years ago, not 50
He's talking about the LA Watts riots of the mid 60's. not the Rodney king LA riots.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 4:16 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
"i think if a police officer discharges his gun, it should be a matter of public information. White, black, or canine "victim"."
This is where I come down on it, too. I can keeping the name confidential for a relatively brief period of time to make arrangments to ensure his safety, but I think this is more to prevent probing into his background, record on the force, etc.
This is where I come down on it, too. I can keeping the name confidential for a relatively brief period of time to make arrangments to ensure his safety, but I think this is more to prevent probing into his background, record on the force, etc.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 4:22 pm to moneyg
"At some point, it needs be released. But, let it be released with enough information for the situation to be framed in a light consistent with the results of the investigation."
Wow. So when the government thinks they have "framed" the situation correctly, then they get to choose to release the information? I can buy the safety explanation for a period of time, but I evidnetly believe more in the citzenry's right to know than you do.
Wow. So when the government thinks they have "framed" the situation correctly, then they get to choose to release the information? I can buy the safety explanation for a period of time, but I evidnetly believe more in the citzenry's right to know than you do.
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