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Annual cost of illegal immigration is $113 Billion as of 2013
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:59 pm
And some of you are worried if Mexico is going to pay us back for the wall or worried it is going to cost $40 billion.
Seems like an investment that will pay for itself quickly
The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers
Seems like an investment that will pay for itself quickly
quote:
This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.
Key Findings
Illegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state and local level. The bulk of the costs — some $84 billion — are absorbed by state and local governments.
The annual outlay that illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers is an average amount per native-headed household of $1,117. The fiscal impact per household varies considerably because the greatest share of the burden falls on state and local taxpayers whose burden depends on the size of the illegal alien population in that locality
Education for the children of illegal aliens constitutes the single largest cost to taxpayers, at an annual price tag of nearly $52 billion. Nearly all of those costs are absorbed by state and local governments.
At the federal level, about one-third of outlays are matched by tax collections from illegal aliens. At the state and local level, an average of less than 5 percent of the public costs associated with illegal immigration is recouped through taxes collected from illegal aliens.
Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes. Among those who do, much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns. Many are also claiming tax credits resulting in payments from the U.S. Treasury.
The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 1:03 pm to stout
Exactly. This is why I've never given a shite whether Mexico pays for it or not. The wall is worth building and should have been erected no later than the mid-2000's when we had all the exact same information that we have now about illegal immigration. The Republicans were absolute cowards on the issue and now is the time to start making up for that.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:37 pm to ChewyDante
Bumping for OMLandshark's shitty thread
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:50 pm to stout
You know we could have gotten rid of all the government entitlements for illegal immigration, and that would probably have been way cheaper than a wall and more effective.
And if someone comes here illegally, knowing that their only chance of making it is through hard-work since they can't leech over the government, then that's probably a person who adds value to our society.
But let's build a wall that will probably take a decade to complete, and also require confiscation of private property.
MORE GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS THE BEST SOLUTION!!!!
And if someone comes here illegally, knowing that their only chance of making it is through hard-work since they can't leech over the government, then that's probably a person who adds value to our society.
But let's build a wall that will probably take a decade to complete, and also require confiscation of private property.
MORE GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS THE BEST SOLUTION!!!!
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:52 pm to buckeye_vol
In your scenario you're still inviting criminals. Not all of their best and brightest are crossing the border, you know?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:59 pm to stout
quote:Yeah. Because we have incentives that being the leeches over.
Not all of their best and brightest are crossing the border, you know?
And if there is no incentive for the leeches, and criminal behavior is adequately addressed (not catch and release), and maybe getting rid of the WOD, then criminals and leeches will have to find a new place to go.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:05 pm to stout
Aren't you a real estate/contracting guy? Thoughts on the $12.5M figure (although this may be more civil engineering related)?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:14 pm to Lou Pai
I think $12.5 million isn't far off depending. Just highway construction alone is expensive. Multiply that by adding height to it, difficult terrain, etc and I can see it being close.
But, I think the majority of it will be built by prefabbed concrete panels that will reduce the cost in many ways.
Hard to say without seeing the scope of what they will build, though.
But, I think the majority of it will be built by prefabbed concrete panels that will reduce the cost in many ways.
Hard to say without seeing the scope of what they will build, though.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:17 pm to stout
Stout, they based that on only 13 million illegal aliens. Need to at least double that $113 billion.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:20 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
ou know we could have gotten rid of all the government entitlements for illegal immigration, and that would probably have been way cheaper than a wall and more effective
Not with our current Supreme Court.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:27 pm to stout
I feel ya. I have no frame of reference at all. Given that this may be one of the greatest undertakings in the history of infrastructure projects, I'm not sure how we would go about procuring concrete and other materials, but I'm inclined to believe the rules wouldn't apply as if we were XYZ School or even the LA DOTD on the cost side. I have no idea though. Maybe we should try to learn from the Chinese on this given their incredible scale of projects in recent years.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:31 pm to stout
I think it should be a wall of lasers
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:32 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:Well then scale back when can be done (welfare should be able to be addressed), and then address the supreme court as well.
Not with our current Supreme Court.
I just think that when there are multiple options, and one lessens government and the other increases, the one that lessens should be implemented FIRST. If it doesn't seem to work, THEN consider the other option.
Besides only a little over half illegally immigrate via unlawful entry (and there are multiple entry methods). So this doesn't even address the entire issue, let alone prevent the one it is meant to address.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:33 pm to Lou Pai
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Chinese on this given their incredible scale of projects in recent years.
They have been concentrating on modular building and prefabrication. Like I said, that could greatly reduce the cost instead vs on site brick, mortar, concrete, etc.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:38 pm to Lou Pai
quote:
Given that this may be one of the greatest undertakings in the history of infrastructure projects
This if referencing the Northern Beltway that was proposed around Birmingham, AL several years back...
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The 52-mile-long (84 km) project is budgeted to cost $5.445 billion, making it the most expensive road project in Alabama history. At $104.7 million per mile ($65.1 million/km), this budget also makes the Northern Beltline one of the most expensive roads per mile ever built in the United States.[2] Notably, this price tag does not take into account the cost of extending sewer services, power lines, and other infrastructure necessary to develop the isolated region through which the beltline will be constructed.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:38 pm to stout
So, what percentage of illegal immigrants cross the border illegally? What % come here from other countries legally and overstay their legal limit? What % come through the Canadian border? What % of immigrants who cross the border illegaly now will continue to find ways to get into the country?
Who are we going to borrow the money from to pay for this wall? China? At what cost?
And which of Trump's buddies will win the contract?
Who are we going to borrow the money from to pay for this wall? China? At what cost?
And which of Trump's buddies will win the contract?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:40 pm to stout
Deporting them all would cost 400Bn not including the economic collapse that occurs and the gdp shrinking by 5%
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:40 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
I just think that when there are multiple options, and one lessens government and the other increases, the one that lessens should be implemented FIRST. If it doesn't seem to work, THEN consider the other option.
Agree, congress and potus need to work on comprehensive immigration reform, including state of the art border security, before even debating a wall.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:43 pm to stout
So what makes you think the wall is going to help? You realize that these illegals risk everything to get here. The cartels and others involved in transporting illegals will find new ways to get people in. There will be even more motivation if the Mexican economy suffers.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:48 pm to cahoots
There's a bunch of seismic baws and work over rigs ready to drill holes and eliminate tunnels.
But then you'll say "they"ll just dig another tunnel".
Well it only takes a few hours to set up a work over rig and start turning pipe.
Drill a hole.
Drop some explosives.
Adios amigos.
eta They're cheap too!
But then you'll say "they"ll just dig another tunnel".
Well it only takes a few hours to set up a work over rig and start turning pipe.
Drill a hole.
Drop some explosives.
Adios amigos.
eta They're cheap too!
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 9:51 pm
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