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Abortion solution
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:19 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:19 am
I am pro-life, but not based on religious reasons. I base it mainly on personal responsibility and yes, the "human life" aspect. I mean, I'm glad my parents decided to let me exist since I didn't have a choice in the matter.
Just fyi, I support free birth control to anyone who needs it paid by the taxpayer.
A policy I would support, but know would most likely be too radical:
1) One free abortion meaning the first abortion is a gimme, no questions asked. A woman can be given an abortion for any reason and no restrictions whatsoever. The woman would then be given free birth control for the rest of her life.
2) The second abortion would be the last because she would be sterilized after it was performed, unless she got pregnant by rape, incest or some other way that didn't involve her consent.
One of my concerns is a woman might try a "back-alley" abortion because she wouldn't want to be sterilized.
This probably sounds like way too much government control and I'm really pretty libertarian, but I also am very pro-life.
Just fyi, I support free birth control to anyone who needs it paid by the taxpayer.
A policy I would support, but know would most likely be too radical:
1) One free abortion meaning the first abortion is a gimme, no questions asked. A woman can be given an abortion for any reason and no restrictions whatsoever. The woman would then be given free birth control for the rest of her life.
2) The second abortion would be the last because she would be sterilized after it was performed, unless she got pregnant by rape, incest or some other way that didn't involve her consent.
One of my concerns is a woman might try a "back-alley" abortion because she wouldn't want to be sterilized.
This probably sounds like way too much government control and I'm really pretty libertarian, but I also am very pro-life.
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:22 am to stormyhog
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but I also am very pro-life.
why?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:23 am to stormyhog
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I am pro-life
The rest of your OP says you aren't.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:25 am to stormyhog
quote:Let each state decide. If I may quote this weird thing I read one time:
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Sounds like a joke, right? Healthcare, gay marriage, etc. All we have to do is read this and there's the solution. Let each state decide. It's none of the fed's business. Too bad they repealed it. Oh wait, they didn't? Then what the hell is going on here?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:27 am to stormyhog
I opened this thread with trepidation thinking "Abortion Solution, this is going to be crazy."
But I thought, "Yeah, but maybe it is the entertaining kind of crazy!" and opened it anyway.
But I thought, "Yeah, but maybe it is the entertaining kind of crazy!" and opened it anyway.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:32 am to KeyserSoze999
I'm pro-life for sure when there is a beating heart or actual limbs on the "life form."
I mean we all know what an embryo will become if left to nature. An ovum or a sperm will not become a human until they combine.
We all have our beliefs and I guess a lot of mine on this issue are rooted in my upbringing although I haven't been to church in 20+ years.
I mean we all know what an embryo will become if left to nature. An ovum or a sperm will not become a human until they combine.
We all have our beliefs and I guess a lot of mine on this issue are rooted in my upbringing although I haven't been to church in 20+ years.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:36 am to stormyhog
so #1 can be done so long as its prior to 18 days after conception(which is when the heart beats), or does the solution take precedence?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:44 am to stormyhog
Just give it time.
The standard is viability. It's almost certain that as time goes on, medical advancemt will move the viability date closer and closer to conception.
Your one concern should be that the sjw's will fight to have the goal posts moved.
The standard is viability. It's almost certain that as time goes on, medical advancemt will move the viability date closer and closer to conception.
Your one concern should be that the sjw's will fight to have the goal posts moved.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:50 am to stormyhog
I think your solution would be unacceptable to either side.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:05 am to stormyhog
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One of my concerns is a woman might try a "back-alley" abortion because she wouldn't want to be sterilized.
Self created problem. I do believe in free birth control since it will be less costly to tax payers than the eight kids some welfare recipient has and the free hospital bill to have them.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 10:08 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:13 am to genro
quote:This. Changing the subject, but what business is it of the federal government if a state decides that proper I.D. must be presented to vote in an election.
Let each state decide. If I may quote this weird thing I read one time:
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:25 am to stormyhog
I was raised pro-choice, and after a lifetime o thinking and researching i just can't justify it to myself anymore.
I am in favor of three prongs to helping solve this problem
1. Better sex education in school, specifically doing away with abstinence only policies.
2. Better and free access to birth control.
3. Better education on development of the child.
Try and lessen the need and the want for abortion at this point seems like the best avenue, as the courts have not been favorable.
I am in favor of three prongs to helping solve this problem
1. Better sex education in school, specifically doing away with abstinence only policies.
2. Better and free access to birth control.
3. Better education on development of the child.
Try and lessen the need and the want for abortion at this point seems like the best avenue, as the courts have not been favorable.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:26 am to stormyhog
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I am pro-life
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first abortion
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The second abortion
Not sure if you're as pro-life as you declare.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:28 am to stormyhog
quote:Adoption
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:29 am to stormyhog
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One of my concerns is a woman might try a "back-alley" abortion because she wouldn't want to be sterilized.
Umm ya think?
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 10:30 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:45 am to stormyhog
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I mean, I'm glad my parents decided to let me exist since I didn't have a choice in the matter.
What if you learned you mother had an abortion when she was younger, and she told you she probably would have had her tubes tied before having you if she had been forced to carry the pregnancy to term?
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2) The second abortion would be the last because she would be sterilized after it was performed,
Guess that answers my question.
You're seriously fricked in the head. A woman's uterus isn't any of your business you self-righteous frick.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 10:47 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:06 am to SpidermanTUba
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I mean, I'm glad my parents decided to let me exist since I didn't have a choice in the matter.
What if you learned you mother had an abortion when she was younger, and she told you she probably would have had her tubes tied before having you if she had been forced to carry the pregnancy to term?
I would never had known because I wouldn't exist? What's your point?
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2) The second abortion would be the last because she would be sterilized after it was performed, unless she got pregnant by rape, incest or some other way that didn't involve her consent.
Guess that answers my question.
You're seriously fricked in the head. A woman's uterus isn't any of your business you self-righteous frick.
That is the biggest, saddest excuse in the existence of mankind. Her uterus, WTF?
It's my life, but I can't smoke marijuana, shoot heroin, marry multiple women or men, etc. There are many things I can't do even though it's my body and life.
I know you support climate change action. I guess that means you are for "personal responsibility" and if we won't individually do something about it, then you support government intervention. Why should I give a shite about climate change? Because scientists say it exists due to humans? Well, science says that a fetus has different DNA than the mother and father. In my book, that proves that they are a separate being.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:33 am to stormyhog
quote:our government was never chartered to ensure that individuals exercised adequate personal responsibility. Nor should it. If a person f*cks up their life, it's not up to the government to "fix" that, nor prevent it from happening again.
I base it mainly on personal responsibility
The problem comes when the effects of other people are shifted to other people that did nothing wrong other than being responsible for themselves.
But that's not an abortion issue. That's a mooch cultural issue.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:43 am to stormyhog
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1) One free abortion meaning the first abortion is a gimme, no questions asked. A woman can be given an abortion for any reason and no restrictions whatsoever. The woman would then be given free birth control for the rest of her life.
This, to me, would be an incentive to get an abortion.
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he would be sterilized after it was performed,
Forced sterilization? what is this Nazi Germany?
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