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A Civilian Evacuation of Gaza Will Never Work if You Understand the History of Israel
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:43 am
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:43 am
Palestinian civilians will likely not evacuate through any humanitarian corridors Israel or the regional Arab partners establish. They believe that Israel’s intention is to carry out another nakba, or “catastrophe”: the forced displacement of Palestinians from Israel during the 1948 war.
They do not believe (nor should they believe) that they will be allowed to return to Gaza after the fighting. This is why the Biden administration’s push for a humanitarian corridor to allow Gazan civilians to flee the fighting is such a uniquely bad idea.
To the extent that a humanitarian corridor accomplishes anything, it would be to accelerate the depopulation of Gaza and the creation of a new wave of permanent refugees. It would also offer the right-wing extremists in Netanyahu’s government a clear roadmap for doing the same in Jerusalem and the West Bank.
So now the conundrum is: how does Israel defeat Hamas without an invasion, which will undoubtedly cost thousands of civilian lives?
They do not believe (nor should they believe) that they will be allowed to return to Gaza after the fighting. This is why the Biden administration’s push for a humanitarian corridor to allow Gazan civilians to flee the fighting is such a uniquely bad idea.
To the extent that a humanitarian corridor accomplishes anything, it would be to accelerate the depopulation of Gaza and the creation of a new wave of permanent refugees. It would also offer the right-wing extremists in Netanyahu’s government a clear roadmap for doing the same in Jerusalem and the West Bank.
So now the conundrum is: how does Israel defeat Hamas without an invasion, which will undoubtedly cost thousands of civilian lives?
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Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:44 am to Shakey
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They do not believe (nor should they believe) that they will be allowed to return to Gaza after the fighting.
Their lives will most likely improve.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
The refugees in southern Lebanon do not have good lives.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
Remember the negative ramifications of any mass displacement of Palestinians will trickle down to Europe first, but eventually the U.S.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:46 am to Shakey
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how does Israel defeat Hamas without an invasion,
They can't. There are no other options.
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which will undoubtedly cost thousands of civilian lives?
War is hell. There are no better options than going in and turning over every stone.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:54 am to Shakey
no one fricking cares.
Return the hostages.
Return the hostages.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:57 am to Shakey
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They do not believe (nor should they believe) that they will be allowed to return to Gaza after the fighting
Israel wants the land of Gaza Strip for themselves. Everyone knows it. Hamas gave them the excuse they need to take it. Hamas knows they gave them the excuse and they want Israel to take it so they can point and say "see what they did?" And the fighting continues for another thousand years.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:59 am to Shakey
What percentage of Gazans are Hamas?
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:59 am to jbgleason
I don’t think they give a shite about the Strip for themselves. They just want the friendly neighborhood terrorists to GTFO permanently.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 7:59 am to TrueTiger
A plurality of them if voting is correct.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 8:01 am to Lima Whiskey
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The refugees in southern Lebanon do not have good lives.
Its probably due to low intelligence and dependency on militant overlords.
These people will be wards of the State wherever they go.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 8:01 am to Shakey
I don't care. they're still shooting rockets at Israel.
That has to be stopped .
That has to be stopped .
Posted on 10/14/23 at 8:04 am to Shakey
When they start the genocides of the Palestinians all of Muslims shall declare war on Israel. Any M.E. gov that does not give full resource cooperation to the Palestinians, like the Saudi King, shall be overthrow for being a western pupppet. Israel shall recognize that the genocide of 2 million people to steal their land shall result in their own demise.
This post was edited on 10/14/23 at 8:13 am
Posted on 10/14/23 at 8:05 am to Shakey
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So now the conundrum is: how does Israel defeat Hamas without an invasion, which will undoubtedly cost thousands of civilian lives?
They want to be human shields for terrorists, they get what they get.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 8:05 am to Shakey
I don't blame Israel for doing what they're doing, but we all know most of these refugees will end up in the U.S. Just what we need, more radical Muslims walking the street.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 8:07 am to BlackPawnMartyr
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When they start the genocides of the Palestinians all of Muslims shall declare war on Israel.
They tried that before, 6-Day War ring a bell?
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Israel shall recognize that the genocide of 2 million people to steal their land shall result in their own demise.
Genocide? Where do you lunatics come up with this nonsense?
Posted on 10/14/23 at 8:08 am to jbgleason
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And the fighting continues for another thousand years.
water is wet.
along as Israel exists, the scum will wage war against them for that is their religion.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 8:09 am to Shakey
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how does Israel defeat Hamas without an invasion
They don't. They've tried political pressure, they've tried tolerating their rockets. It's taken things like the parading of a young woman's naked corpse, beheading babies and slaughtering innocent civilians to finally make them (and at least some of the world) realize that there's no way a 2-state solution exists with Gaza remaining in Palestinian hands.
They will invade, it's as inevitable as Thanos. Likely though, they'll lose their drive before finishing the job. There's already a bit of a "buffer" between Palestinian buildings and the armistice wall, they will likely just push that back a little further.
The sad and tragic truth is that groups like Hamas refuse to accept the existence of Israel at all, they certainly aren't going to take Israel pushing them into a more confined area. The only way this truly ends is if Israel completely expels (by killing or transporting out) every single Palestinian in Gaza then taking that area over as part of Israel.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 8:11 am to Shakey
Palestinians voted for Hamas to be their political leadership. RIP.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 8:11 am to teke184
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What percentage of Gazans are Hamas
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A plurality of them if voting is correct.
Hamas hasn't allowed elections since 2007. And the original election that put them in power is suspect. It's not as easy as "they voted for this, they deserve to die."
Remember, Israel's treatment of innocent civilians here will define this conflict. Violation of humanitarian rights will just give Arabs an excuse to continue their jihad against the West.
It may not affect you, but it will affect your grandchildren.
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