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re: 8th Air Force Twin Raids on Regensburg and Schweinfurt 8/17/43
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:17 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:17 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Wrote a history paper on these missions.
The best account I can recommend is a book called "Flying Fortress" by Edward Jablonski.
The best account I can recommend is a book called "Flying Fortress" by Edward Jablonski.
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:24 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:The account of Morgan's mission in the book above is stellar. The crew was equally valorous.
That is the sort of man we sent to fight that war. Morgan was 28 years old at the time of the action described.
Same mission (I think), different crew, one crew member had to throw another unconscious crewmate out of the plane. He'd lost his arm, too high for a tourniquet. He was picked up and the Luftwaffe picked him up, and he lived. Life and death decisions made in real time by real men.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 11:30 pm to Big Scrub TX
Why are you such a piece of shite? Serious question.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:40 am to Godfather1
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Godfather1
ignore that degenerate piece of shite.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 5:17 am to Taxing Authority
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The best account I can recommend is a book called "Flying Fortress" by Edward Jablonski.
There is another called "Black Thursday", by Martin Caiden, I believe.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 6:20 am to Ace Midnight
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That is the sort of man we sent to fight that war. Morgan was 28 years old at the time of the action described.
This greatest generation beget my generation...baby boomers. Many of the boomer generation spat on soldiers returning from Nam and now many of those have children and grandchildren...this I believe in my soul what has led to what we see in America now.
Compare your story of the courage and heroism that was given so that the free world could survive with some fatass climbing a RELee statute to pull it down and behave like rabid dogs. All while the leftist MSM applauds and the rest cowar to speak up against the childishness.
To my dying day I thank the lord for that generation and those who serve in their footsteps. God save our country, good and bad.
Sorry for taking away from this heroic history you give us, but just felt a rant was in order.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 6:23 am
Posted on 8/18/17 at 1:31 pm to Taxing Authority
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Same mission (I think), different crew, one crew member had to throw another unconscious crewmate out of the plane.
Seriously, I think this was the same crew. Morgan's top turret gunner lost an arm. Morgan's navigator bailed out the gunner before finally getting into the cockpit to provide assistance. I've never seen confirmation of his survival.
The main fuselage decompressed so the rear gunners were all unconscious. The pilot ended up dying after they landed, but all the surviving gunners had was some frostbite. During all of that Morgan's aircraft delivered bombs on target, relatively in formation.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 4:44 pm to Ace Midnight
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The main fuselage decompressed so the rear gunners were all unconscious
More likely, the oxygen system was fricked up.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 4:49 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Possibly? It's been a while. I was thinking it was a crew in the bloody 100th. But I could be completely wrong. I'll dig it up when I get home. I can almost name the page in the book.
Seriously, I think this was the same crew.
quote:B-17 wasn't pressurized.
The main fuselage decompressed so the rear gunners were all unconscious.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 8/18/17 at 5:12 pm to Taxing Authority
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B-17 wasn't pressurized.
Then the O2 system took a hit in all the damage.
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:10 pm to Taxing Authority
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The best account I can recommend is a book called "Flying Fortress" by Edward Jablonski.
The indispensable book on the B-17's is Black Thursday by Martin Caidin.
This is the cover from the 1960 edition.
This post was edited on 8/19/17 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:16 pm to WhiskeyPapa
quote:Havent read it. The Jablonski book covers the entire war. Develops the larger picture of how those mission came to be, and how they affected the strategy after they occurred.
The indispensable book on the B-17's is Black Thursday by Martin Caidin.
I'll check it out, thanks for the tip.
This post was edited on 8/19/17 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:23 pm to Taxing Authority
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Havent read it. The Jablonski book covers the entire war. Develops the larger picture of how those mission came to be, and how they affected the strategy after they occurred.
Jablonski's book is mostly anecdotal. Don't miss the episode of Dogfights of Jay Zeamer's Medal of Honor mission in Old 666. That episode is called Long Odds I think.
Long Odds
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:26 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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Jablonski's book is mostly anecdotal.
k. 
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:30 pm to Big Scrub TX
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That is the sort of man we sent to fight that war.
Go frick yourself.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 10:34 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:You were right! Hell some of it was in your post. I'm a dumbass.
Seriously, I think this was the same crew.
quote:
"We were on our our way into the enemy coast," the navigator of Ruthie II, Keith J. Koske, related in this mission's debriefing, "when we were attacked by a group of FQ-190s. [...] A second later the top turret gunner, Sergeant Tyre C. Weaver, fell through the hatch and slumped to the floor of my nose compartment. When I got to him I saw his left arm had been blown off at the shoulder and he was a mass of blood. I first tried to inject some morphine but the needle was bent and I could not get it in. As thing turned out it was best I didn't give him any.
"My first thought was to try and stop his loss of blood. I tried to appy a tourniquet, but it was impossible as the arm was off too close to the shoulder. I knew he had to have the right kind of medical treatment as soon as possible and we had almost four hours of flying time ahead of us, so there was no alternative.
"I opened the escape hatch, adjusted his chute for him. Afer I adjusted his chute and placed the ripcord ring firmly in his right hand, he must have become excited and pulled the cord, opening the pilot chute in the up-draft. I managed to gather it together and tuck it under his right arm, got him in a crouhed position with legs through hatch, making certain that is good arm was holding the chute folds together, and toppled him out into space. I learned somewhat later from out ball turret gunner, James L. Ford, that the chute opened OK. [...] (Weaver was picked up almost as soon as he hit the ground and given immediate medical attention by the Germans; in December his squadron mates learned hew was well and a prisoner of war in Stalg Luft IV.)
Posted on 8/20/17 at 10:37 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Big Scrub TX
You're probably one of the biggest sacks of shite on here.
I mean there are some proggy douches who are misguided in their political beliefs...but you man. You're just a worthless oxygen thief.
Go lick a window. It's more your speed.
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