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Posted on 8/22/17 at 4:01 am to IAmReality
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Funny how when white people go somewhere it's an "invasion" but when brown people do it it's "immigration"
White or brown, immigration without assimilation is invasion.
There isn't a damn thing any of us can do about the 1400's.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 4:03 am to Vacherie Saint
What do you define as assimilation?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 4:12 am to FT
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What do you define as assimilation?
When hoardes of people flock to a country for a better life, only to segregate themselves into barrios and refuse to accept any semblance of the host countries culture, tespect their laws, or contribute to society beyond their personal desires, to me, is an invasion of sorts.
What's happening with Muslim refugees in Europe is invasion. What's happening is some areas (not all) of the US with migrants from Latin America is invasion. European settlers all across the new world in the 1500's and beyond were invaders.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 6:22 am to Lsuchs
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Meant people from the eastern hemisphere, which were essentially alien civilizations.
Not people people isolated here 10k+ years ago
According to Columbus journal the first "Indians" that he came in contact with spoke passable Portuguese. That would indicate that he wasn't even close to the first.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 7:11 am to Jjdoc
To be fair, Columbus was a massive douchebag AND had literally NOTHING to do with the United States.
Doesn't mean I think we should just go around, destroying statues, but if there was one human being from history that we honor a bit too much, it's that guy.
Doesn't mean I think we should just go around, destroying statues, but if there was one human being from history that we honor a bit too much, it's that guy.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 7:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:quote:Alert Wolf Blitzer, we have a copycat
Identical in action and motivation as ISIS.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 7:13 am to germandawg
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There were people here.
But they engaged in slavery...
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:33 am to Jjdoc
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European capitalism into the Western Hemisphere
1. both Italy and spain are in the western hemisphere
2. in the 15th century Europe, capitalism did not exist.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:35 am to skrayper
quote:discovering north America, albeit unwittingly, has a lot to do with the united states.
AND had literally NOTHING to do with the United States.
it's one of the greatest discoveries in the history of man
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:58 am to Jjdoc
fricking animals.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:59 am to Jjdoc
This is great, if we are judging 14th and 15th century individuals by current standards, why stop there? Why not go back to the dawn of man? Those people were violent, misogynistic, and xenophobic. And since we all derived from them, should we all just commit mass suicide?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:03 am to germandawg
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There were people here.
I noticed that your post here today avoids the question of whether you support this smashing of the Columbus monument.
Silence is Compliance. You agree with, support and condone this vandalism.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:16 am to Jjdoc
Injuns got steamrolled.
Relied on animal power to travel, lived in primitive warring clans and armed themselves with nothing more powerful than weapons of human actuation.
Other people arrived who had figured out how to build ships, navigate the high seas & were armed with advanced weaponry.
They ran roughshod over an inferior opponent and came away with the natural resources for their victory.
Has happened since before we were finished evolving into our current form. Nothing to cry over.
Relied on animal power to travel, lived in primitive warring clans and armed themselves with nothing more powerful than weapons of human actuation.
Other people arrived who had figured out how to build ships, navigate the high seas & were armed with advanced weaponry.
They ran roughshod over an inferior opponent and came away with the natural resources for their victory.
Has happened since before we were finished evolving into our current form. Nothing to cry over.
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 9:18 am
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:44 am to DelU249
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discovering north America, albeit unwittingly, has a lot to do with the united states.
it's one of the greatest discoveries in the history of man
Except for all the people who had discovered before him?
Like the folks living here?
Or the Vikings?
Dude thought the planet was a lot smaller and thought he found India, then when there wasn't enough gold enslaved and murdered like it was going out of style.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:48 am to Jjdoc
Holy shite. What idiots.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:50 am to skrayper
quote:problem is they didn't tell the entire world about it, keep records, etc.
Except for all the people who had discovered before him?
Columbus' voyage is the moment that two sides of the world learned of the other's existence. granted there was some confusion and word didn't travel as fast back then, but yes...Columbus discovered it. setting the semantics of discovery aside, it was one of those moments in history of monumental consequence...cause and effect. columbus' impact on the united states as well as north and south America for good and bad makes him important.
it's foolish to think otherwise.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:53 am to Jjdoc
Perhaps they would prefer a Viking statue since those guys were here first ?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:55 am to skrayper
you can argue about iconography, statues, whatever all you want
but to say he "LITERALLY had nothing to do with the United States" is imbecilic. if you can't understand cause and effect and how the world you live in is irrevocably shaped by Columbus' voyage then your judgment is clouded by emotions, ulterior agendas, etc...i'm just giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not a colossal moron.
but to say he "LITERALLY had nothing to do with the United States" is imbecilic. if you can't understand cause and effect and how the world you live in is irrevocably shaped by Columbus' voyage then your judgment is clouded by emotions, ulterior agendas, etc...i'm just giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not a colossal moron.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:59 am to DelU249
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Columbus' voyage is the moment that two sides of the world learned of the other's existence. granted there was some confusion and word didn't travel as fast back then, but yes...Columbus discovered it. setting the semantics of discovery aside, it was one of those moments in history of monumental consequence...cause and effect. columbus' impact on the united states as well as north and south America for good and bad makes him important.
it's foolish to think otherwise.
True, but great moments don't equate to heroic actions nor do they mean a person deserves holidays and statues. Prior to the Italian immigration of the early 1900s, everyone in the US knew Columbus was just a footnote and not worth all the hoopla.
Amerigo Vespucci deserves WAY more credit then ol' CC does.
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