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10th Circuit rules Utah gay marriage ban unconstitutional
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:15 pm
This is huge. First appellate court ruling since the various district court rulings started in December.
The 4th Circuit ruling for Virginia should be released soon and the 6th Circuit ruling in the next few months.
What will happen if all of the appellate courts rule the same way? Since the SCOTUS tends to take cases when there are conflicting rulings at the Circuit level, they could possibly not take up a case at all and let the lower court rulings stand?
From NBC News:
The 4th Circuit ruling for Virginia should be released soon and the 6th Circuit ruling in the next few months.
What will happen if all of the appellate courts rule the same way? Since the SCOTUS tends to take cases when there are conflicting rulings at the Circuit level, they could possibly not take up a case at all and let the lower court rulings stand?
From NBC News:
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For the first time, a federal appeals court has struck down a state's ban on same-sex marriage.
A three-judge panel of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver voted 2-1 that Utah's ban is unconstitutional.
"We hold that the Fourteenth Amendment protects the fundamental right to marry, establish a family, raise children, and enjoy the full protection of a state's marital laws. A state may not deny the issuance of a marriage license to two persons, or refuse to recognize their marriage, based solely upon the sex of the persons in the marriage union," the court said.
The 10th circuit ruling came on the same day that a federal judge struck down Indiana's ban on gay marriage, the latest in a series of lower court rulings that tossed out state prohibitions.
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:17 pm to Toddy
:inb4anothergaythreadbyToddy:
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:23 pm to Toddy
$18 trillion in debt
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:24 pm to Toddy
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10th Circuit
Bunch of Putos
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:25 pm to Tim
Sickening - you know the people of Utah are against SSM, so no court should try to overrule the will of the people.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:25 pm to Toddy
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This is huge.
that's what housemate said.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:26 pm to Toddy
Guess I'd better grab a chair for the inevitable religious nutjob freak out session.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:26 pm to Toddy
Hooray for forced acceptance.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:27 pm to Tim
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$18 trillion in debt
yep, so lets get this stupid issue out the way, allow them to marry and try to balance our budget.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:27 pm to TigersforEver
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Sickening - you know the people of Utah are against SSM, so no court should try to overrule the will of the people.
This. This fricking legislation by judges is bullshite.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:30 pm to davesdawgs
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This. This fricking legislation by judges is bullshite.
Rights of people is not trumped by legislation in this country and never has been.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:31 pm to Toddy
Eagerly awaiting DawgfaninCa's take on this development.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:33 pm to petar
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Rights of people is not trumped by legislation in this country and never has been.
The dishonesty of people to claim anyone's rights have been infringed because not every state recognizes gay marriage is truly disgusting.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:39 pm to Toddy
frick this country.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:41 pm to imjustafatkid
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The dishonesty of people to claim rights are being infringed here is truly disgusting.
well you must think all these judges and the majoriy opinion of the USSC is dishonest as well as the many celebrities, politicians, musicians are dishonest as well. Conservative and Liberal alike have spoken out against discriminating against gay people and against a same-sex ban as infringing on their rights.
you know a majority of americans disagree with you and the ban of same-sex marriage right?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:50 pm to Godfather1
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Hooray for forced acceptance
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:51 pm to petar
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well you must think all these judges and the majoriy opinion of the USSC is dishonest as well as the many celebrities, politicians, musicians are dishonest as well. Conservative and Liberal alike have spoken out against discriminating against gay people and against a same-sex ban as infringing on their rights.
Marriage is not a right. Any rights associated with marriage can be granted through civil unions. Marriage is a largely religious institution. Government should have nothing to do with marriage for this reason. We are obviously headed for a head on collision between religious freedom and civil rights due to government interference with a predominantly religious institution. Religious freedom is already being infringed upon by judges legislating from the bench. If I don't want to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple due to my religious convictions then I should have the right to decline service to them. And yes, I also have the potential for such decisions affecting my business but that's part of free enterprise. Screw liberal progressives trying to mold this nation in their own image.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:52 pm to Godfather1
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Hooray for forced acceptance.
just wait for the forced attendance at all same sex marriages
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:55 pm to petar
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well you must think all these judges and the majoriy opinion of the USSC is dishonest as well as the many celebrities, politicians, musicians are dishonest as well.
You don't think our politicians and judges are dishonest?
I'm not sure why I should care what celebrities and musicians think.
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Conservative and Liberal alike have spoken out against discriminating against gay people and against a same-sex ban as infringing on their rights.
There was never any such thing as a ban on gay people having a ceremony to get married. That's not what this is about. I think they should certainly have been allowed to enter into contracts or issue wills to give their belongings to whomever they wish when they pass away but just being married isn't going to change anything about that beacuse there's no way to guarantee these people won't get divorced. I'd be more than happy to fight for the rights of all people to issue wills to whomever they wish. That's also not what this is about. No one gets any kind of tax break by getting married so I don't really know what other benefits they could be expecting to get from this. That's also not what this is about.
Liars are making this something it isn't.
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you know a majority of americans disagree with you and the ban of same-sex marriage right?
How is this relevant? Is this a peer preasure type statement?
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:57 pm to davesdawgs
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Government should have nothing to do with marriage for this reason. We are obviously headed for a head on collision between religious freedom and civil rights due to government interference with a predominantly religious institution.
The problem with this is that everyone who has been able to enjoy this "largely religious institution" to date has also been able to enjoy benefits and support from the government for it. No one had a problem with this compromise of separation of state and religion until lifestyles not endorsed by your religion want to share in the benefits too?
Just saying "yeah, well I'd like to get the government out of marriage" now is too little, too late, although I agree that doing so would probably be for the best.
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