re: Klopp is leaving Dortmund

Scanned through here and didn't see it, but sorry if it's already been mentioned.....City have allegedly said that Klopp wouldn't be a candidate if Pellegrini was sacked.

Granted this comes from ESPN FC which I know several on here don't take very serious.

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they won europe in the 90's

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Before the money era when you could win that way. Just like United and their "class of 92". Those days are gone.

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but this is a flash in the pan

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It's only a flash in the pan if they try to operate the way you claim they will. I've not said they don't have what it takes to compete. You said they would only operate a certain way and I contend that if that's the case they will continue to slide down what has already been a pretty rapid and steep decline.

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what is this money era you speak of

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For me it really started during the first Galacticos era and cemented when Roman bought Chelsea.

You have to spend money now to compete consistently and even teams that were able to achieve massive success before without it (Man U & & Barca) are now spending shite loads to catch up/keep up now that the last of their homegrown/academy glory days have come to an end.

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Yet during this money era United and Barca still won europe and their league with some youth players

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I acknowledged that but going forward I don't think it's possible. Teams at the top aren't going to be patient enough to give guys like that games to season them like those two squads were able to do because they will be busy getting pounded by other teams mercenaries in the meantime. That's why even United and Barca have spent like mad the last couple of years because those homegrown players are all gone or at the end of their careers.

Teams like Dortmund may and it will pay off every few years but there will be growing pains getting there. That's my whole point.

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ffp is changing that, with its emphasis on developing your own players

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We'll see...

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Made possible in large part by the Bosman ruling in '95. You can start the money era there.

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Pretty much. It's been twenty years since the Bosman ruling and the game has been completely changed.

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Curious about your opinion on Klopp managing other potential clubs?

Some of the discussion in the thread centered on those Dortmund squads being so filled with very talented, eager to impress players that were almost all 21-24 years old.

That it's now many of veterans who are under performing (or look a step slow to pull off that press) when they're mainly in their primes at 26-27yo seems a bit concerning, especially considering Klopp's transfer market has been mainly buying attacking players who excel in space on the counter attack when all opponents but probably Bayern are being more cagey and forcing Dortmund to break down a good defensive shape.

Yeah, I mentioned Inter mainly because they'd be more patient than AC Milan, are similar to Dortmund in youth focus and certainly have the cache to retain top players if they win. However, they've just given Mancini keys to house to began renovation.


Klopp going to Real would maybe the most entertaining but I'm not sure I'd want to watch the fireworks of demanding Galacticos full sprint 20km a match if I were a Real fan.

I wonder if Klopp will go against the grain and choose a more Bielsa-esque path toward slightly smaller clubs with excellent youth development.

I've watched Dortmund, and I wonder if he Klopp's style has the same effect as Bielsa's, in that since it requires elite fitness the players are worn down in later seasons. In their 2010-2011 title winning season, they had only sixteen players with ten or more appearances, which indicates that they relied heavily on a very fit first team. The next season they only had 18 players make ten or more appearances. The next season they had the same number. I don't know what the average is among other squads, but Arsenal had 23 players with ten or more appearances in 2010-11and had 22 in 2011-2012. It might have to do with the same players being completely worn down, and it might have been a problem that could have been avoided if Dortmund had a deeper squad.

What was interesting was that Dortmund seemed to have no plan B when the high press was exposed, as one would think the immediate reaction would be to set up the team in the low block and wait for counter attacking opportunities, which would suit Dortmund's players well. I don't know if Klopp tried that, but I do know the team looked tired. That said, they have had a massive turnover in the squad with important players leaving, so this season might have been an aberration. So I don't know what to think of Klopp. He might have had bad luck with long term injuries to Gundogan and Reus as well as two out of form CB's and a static midfield. I wish he would have stayed so we could have seen what to make of him. I do think he'll be successful immediately wherever he goes.

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Maybe it is, but maybe it's not something Klopp wants to keep going through. Which was my original point several pages ago.

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The club is still the 10th or 11th richest in the world. Like I said their model works but maybe Klopp just wanted a new challenge.

Apparently Klopp interviewed with City in 2013 and didn't get the job. He probably wanted all that control and we know he would bench his 200k a week stars for kids. That wouldn't fly with management.