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re: Klopp is leaving Dortmund
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:48 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:48 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Issue is he won't have control. City has the old Barca team in there pulling strings. Also City can't spend all that cash anymore bc of FFP and their owners are shady as frick. The Youth Academy looks great but hasn't produced a first team player since the take over and even by the manager right now admission no one is ready. Klopp isn't the manager who buys big stars left and right.
While I agree City ownership might not be patient enough, I would think FFP, the academy and the fact Klopp doesn't buy big stars makes for an attractive marriage.
I'm not convinced the old Barca people in the front office will be retained either, so Klopp might be given more control than we think.
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:59 am to nvasil1
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I would think FFP, the academy and the fact Klopp doesn't buy big stars makes for an attractive marriage.
Issue is the academy isn't good enough. Yea it looks awesome but their model of developing players has been there for 7 years now. And not one first team player.
That comes down to the coaches and scouting at that level.
The last regular first team City youth player was Richards and he came through before the take over and was eventually marginalized the last few years.
The basically sent Sturridge packing dude only made 26 appearances in all competitions after the take over yet was able to get 96 matches at Chelsea in 3 1/2 years.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:25 am to StraightCashHomey21
They do have Boyata and I've heard decent things about Guidetti and Rekik. Sturridge was out of contract and wanted to move to Chelsea if IIRC.
That said, I can't say their academy is very good. Maybe that has suffered since they were happy to spend on stars from elsewhere to fill the squad?
If they brought in Klopp, he might influence a different approach to scouting and coaching. Again, the rub is if ownership has any patience for that.
I think they were patient with Mancini, but he started ruffling feathers, so they went for a yes man in Pellegrini. Since that has gone to shite this season, I'm wondering if guys like Begiristan will get canned. If that's the case, I'm not sure what that club will want to do
That said, I can't say their academy is very good. Maybe that has suffered since they were happy to spend on stars from elsewhere to fill the squad?
If they brought in Klopp, he might influence a different approach to scouting and coaching. Again, the rub is if ownership has any patience for that.
I think they were patient with Mancini, but he started ruffling feathers, so they went for a yes man in Pellegrini. Since that has gone to shite this season, I'm wondering if guys like Begiristan will get canned. If that's the case, I'm not sure what that club will want to do
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:27 am to nvasil1
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I think they were patient with Mancini, but he started ruffling feathers
Exactly why Klopp should stay away
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:33 am to StraightCashHomey21
Fair point, but again, it depends on how much control they would be willing to give Klopp. They might regret sacking Mancini at this point. 
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:36 am to nvasil1
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They might regret sacking Mancini at this point.
He is tactical much better than Pell
Posted on 4/16/15 at 3:46 am to StraightCashHomey21
No doubt
Posted on 4/16/15 at 6:58 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Klopp isn't the manager who buys big stars left and right.
I think this is more down to the fact he couldn't. I doubt he would turn down the chance to sign some big name talented players if he had the opportunity.
He'd probably also enjoy not being in a monopolized league where any great player always ends up on the same team.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 7:25 am to RandySavage
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I think this is more down to the fact he couldn't. I doubt he would turn down the chance to sign some big name talented players if he had the opportunity.
Dortmund are the second largest club in Germany and could buy pretty much anyone they want. They don't bc they run an effective business model and like most german clubs make huge profits.
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He'd probably also enjoy not being in a monopolized league where any great player always ends up on the same team.
People always say this about Bayern bc of Gotze and Lewa but its not true.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:10 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Dortmund are the second largest club in Germany and could buy pretty much anyone they want. They don't bc they run an effective business model and like most german clubs make huge profits.
So now that their flash in the pan success is over and they aren't even in touching distance of Bayern and are not a threat in Europe anymore what are they going to do?
Keep their "effective business model" and wait another decade for the next brief spell of success or start playing with the big boys?
If they really can "buy anyone they want" yet refuse to even as their best players are poached by their main rival then Klopp is an idiot, the club has no ambition, or both. That's how you get to be a mid table after thought.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:39 am to RandySavage
GODDAMN IT why couldn't he wait a year and take Arsene's job when he retires. 
Posted on 4/16/15 at 12:24 pm to Alan Garner
You think Arsene is retiring after next season?
Posted on 4/16/15 at 12:45 pm to Alan Garner
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GODDAMN IT why couldn't he wait a year and take Arsene's job when he retires
Gunners win the league next year and Le Professeur rides off into the sunset?
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:11 pm to RandySavage
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So now that their flash in the pan success is over and they aren't even in touching distance of Bayern and are not a threat in Europe anymore what are they going to do?
You need to brush up on some history
Dortmund isn't some new club that just became good
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Keep their "effective business model" and wait another decade for the next brief spell of success or start playing with the big boys?
If they really can "buy anyone they want" yet refuse to even as their best players are poached by their main rival then Klopp is an idiot, the club has no ambition, or both. That's how you get to be a mid table after thought.
Lewa left on a free you cant do anything about that.
Gotze was a blunder bc of a clause in the contract
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
This is a new era, for better or worse, where money ultimately rules. Clubs can't sustain real success trying to do it the way Dortmund, Southampton, or whoever else you want to throw out there are doing it.
What Dortmund did the last 3-4 years or so before this one is amazing and something they should be very proud of but unless they become willing to spend it's going to be a cyclical thing where success comes and goes.
If Dortmund are content to play second fiddle to Bayern and fight for a CL spot every year and get bounced early out of Europe they can probably do that but, as you say, for the second biggest club in Germany they should strive for more.
What Dortmund did the last 3-4 years or so before this one is amazing and something they should be very proud of but unless they become willing to spend it's going to be a cyclical thing where success comes and goes.
If Dortmund are content to play second fiddle to Bayern and fight for a CL spot every year and get bounced early out of Europe they can probably do that but, as you say, for the second biggest club in Germany they should strive for more.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:20 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Lewa left on a free you cant do anything about that.
I'm not saying it's their fault but it goes back to my point that sparked this debate that they can't keep their best players from going to their biggest rival. That's got to be incredibly frustrating for a manager.
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Gotze was a blunder bc of a clause in the contract
Same as above. The reasons are really irrelevant, the fact is they can't sustain success when they can't keep their top talent. Especially if he/they won't spend money to adequately replace it.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:27 pm to RandySavage
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What Dortmund did the last 3-4 years or so before this one is amazing and something they should be very proud of but unless they become willing to spend it's going to be a cyclical thing where success comes and goes.
If Dortmund are content to play second fiddle to Bayern and fight for a CL spot every year and get bounced early out of Europe they can probably do that but, as you say, for the second biggest club in Germany they should strive for more
I can't speak for Dortmund, but maybe they're fine with cyclical success.
Keep in mind, they are a publicly traded company that nearly went bankrupt a decade ago due to silly spending.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 1:48 pm to nvasil1
Maybe they are and maybe Klopp's not.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:31 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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The Youth Academy looks great but hasn't produced a first team player
Hasn't the Etihad campus been open for like 6 months?
Also, how many current first team regulars from ManU came thought their academy?
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 2:33 pm to RandySavage
Perhaps. IMO this season was more of an aberration than a sign of things to come for Dortmund.
I think Klopp decided a few months ago he is just ready for a new challenge. He kind of fizzed out at Mainz after a decent run there, so he probably wants to cash in while his stock is still up now.
I think Klopp decided a few months ago he is just ready for a new challenge. He kind of fizzed out at Mainz after a decent run there, so he probably wants to cash in while his stock is still up now.
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