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Borderline Tax bracket help
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:17 am
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:17 am
when married filing jointly, if you usually are borderline between two brackets, but just learn that now you will barely be in the next bracket higher, does it make sense to have the spouse with the much lower paid job to quit to avoid jumping into the next higher bracket?
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:23 am to CorkSoaker
No. This is a common fallacy that people have heard about and misunderstand the actual workings. The increased brackets only apply to the higher income.
Lower income only makes sense (at least generally - I'm sure there are unique situations - Poodlebrain and other experts might be able to clarify), for an individual, if there are some phasing out issues for various credits, deductions or other means tested things. Even then, there is usually a sliding scale to make such gaming counterproductive.
If you're worried about "brackets" increase your tax-deferred retirement contributions - those reduce your taxable income, but you still get the benefit of the earnings. Otherwise, nobody ever went broke making more money.
Lower income only makes sense (at least generally - I'm sure there are unique situations - Poodlebrain and other experts might be able to clarify), for an individual, if there are some phasing out issues for various credits, deductions or other means tested things. Even then, there is usually a sliding scale to make such gaming counterproductive.
If you're worried about "brackets" increase your tax-deferred retirement contributions - those reduce your taxable income, but you still get the benefit of the earnings. Otherwise, nobody ever went broke making more money.
This post was edited on 4/13/15 at 9:24 am
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:27 am to Ace Midnight
I do wish I knew more about this subject
So even if we fall into the next bracket by less than $5000, we are not screwing ourselves?
So even if we fall into the next bracket by less than $5000, we are not screwing ourselves?
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:28 am to CorkSoaker
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So even if we fall into the next bracket by less than $5000, we are not screwing ourselves?
No - only the amount above the next bracket is taxed at the higher rate - you're still making more money, just at a slower rate of ascent.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:34 am to Ace Midnight
Thank you.
A stay at home mom once told me that is why they decided to have her stop working. She said "it was actually costing us money for me to work." And she explained it as being because with her income it barely bumped them up to the next bracket.
I never fully understood her, but it has stuck in the back of my mind.
Maybe she was just an idiot. Maybe she sonehow convinced her husband of this for her to stay home. Who knows.
Thanks for the clarification though.
A stay at home mom once told me that is why they decided to have her stop working. She said "it was actually costing us money for me to work." And she explained it as being because with her income it barely bumped them up to the next bracket.
I never fully understood her, but it has stuck in the back of my mind.
Maybe she was just an idiot. Maybe she sonehow convinced her husband of this for her to stay home. Who knows.
Thanks for the clarification though.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:37 am to CorkSoaker
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She said "it was actually costing us money for me to work."
This may have been true - but not because of tax brackets. By the time the average working (and not to be sexist, but generally female) buys a wardrobe, which has to be refreshed constantly, vehicle expenses, child care (at least while the children are young) - that second income has to be fairly decent to break even. I said the same about Mrs. Midnight - that it "cost" me money to send her to work, but not because of tax bracket concerns.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:42 am to Ace Midnight
I spend less if I'm working.
When I'm not working, I spend too much.
When I'm not working, I spend too much.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:54 am to CorkSoaker
While I agree that it can be a zero sum game if you're paying for childcare, the choice to spend serious money on clothes and/or believe that a woman must update her wardrobe constantly to be relevant in the workplace is not fact, but merely a lifestyle choice. Plenty of professional women are rockin' the same suits year after year without suffering any lapse in reputation, performance, or compensation.
Trend chasing is a choice, not a job requirement (unless, perhaps, you work in a retail clothing shop).
Trend chasing is a choice, not a job requirement (unless, perhaps, you work in a retail clothing shop).
Posted on 4/13/15 at 9:57 am to hungryone
I agree and each to their own on what they want to spend their money on. I was mainly just confused about the tax stuff. I never want to be an idiot and work if it is actually hurting us in the long run because of tax bracket stuff.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 10:01 am to CorkSoaker
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I never want to be an idiot and work if it is actually hurting us in the long run because of tax bracket stuff.
Working WILL NEVER hurt you in the long term...you're socking away social security contributions and possibly retirement contributions (assuming you're covered by a retirement plan at work). These are worth far more, in the long run, than any marginal increase in tax rates.
Besides, if you're on the bubble between brackets, max out your traditional IRA (assuming you don't make too much to qualify for the credit). It will drive down the AGI, perhaps enough to keep you in the lower bracket.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 10:02 am to CorkSoaker
Definitely don't worry about going into new bracket...
Say the tax brackets are at 0k-50k (25%), 50k-75k (30%) and 75k-100k (35%)...
If you make 90k you would be taxed:
25% on first 50k
30% on next 25k
35% on next 15k
So if you go just a little bit into a higher bracket, you are only paying the higher taxes on the amount you go into the bracket and not the total. It will push up your effective tax rate, but it doesn't mean you will lose money by working.
Say the tax brackets are at 0k-50k (25%), 50k-75k (30%) and 75k-100k (35%)...
If you make 90k you would be taxed:
25% on first 50k
30% on next 25k
35% on next 15k
So if you go just a little bit into a higher bracket, you are only paying the higher taxes on the amount you go into the bracket and not the total. It will push up your effective tax rate, but it doesn't mean you will lose money by working.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 10:36 am to hungryone
Thank you! While I know the benefits of 401k contributions, I never knew it could prevent you from jumping into the next bracket.
if we contribute more to 401k, could that possibly prevent us from entering the next bracket? We try to max it out.
if we contribute more to 401k, could that possibly prevent us from entering the next bracket? We try to max it out.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 11:57 am to CorkSoaker
From someone in accounting business... quit worrying about the damn brackets. That shouldn't have any impact on whether your work or make a certain amount. Make as much money as you can and save as much as you can (how to save, ask these experts). As far as brackets go, look above for an example and here is taxable income bracket for 2015 for MFJ:
First $18450 x10%
From $18451 to $74900 x15%
From $74901 to $151200 x20%
I'll stop there for example purposes. If you have $100,000 taxable income then you'd owe:
18450 x10% = 1845
56450 x15% = 8467.50
25100 x20% = 5020
Total due = 15332.50
KEEP IN MIND THAT TAXABLE INCOME AND BEFORE CREDITS!!
First $18450 x10%
From $18451 to $74900 x15%
From $74901 to $151200 x20%
I'll stop there for example purposes. If you have $100,000 taxable income then you'd owe:
18450 x10% = 1845
56450 x15% = 8467.50
25100 x20% = 5020
Total due = 15332.50
KEEP IN MIND THAT TAXABLE INCOME AND BEFORE CREDITS!!
Posted on 4/13/15 at 12:22 pm to Coach D
Yes sir! And thanks for the help! Again, I always have that stay at home moms voice in the back of my head when she explained to me how it cost them tk have her work and her explanation was because of the higher tax bracket. I never understood her but always remember her saying that to me. Probably just a catty bitch being a catty bitch
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