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Cons of doing a DPF delete on a diesel truck
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:13 pm
Black smoke and environment, anything I'm missing on why I should second guess doing it? Already approaching 47k so warranty doesn't have a whole lot left
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:25 pm to Chad504boy
If you're gonna tune it, I'd recommend spending the extra cash and do some PMs like studs.
IDGAF about rolling coal. My ex used to do it to random people walking down the street or at bus stops. She was a psychotic though
IDGAF about rolling coal. My ex used to do it to random people walking down the street or at bus stops. She was a psychotic though
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:27 pm to Chad504boy
On what truck? I'm wanting to do mine but I've always been curious whether it hurts/helps in the long run to just do away with that stuff.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 4:44 pm to Hammertime
Can someone explain studs to me like I'm a 5 yr old
Posted on 4/6/15 at 5:03 pm to Chad504boy
Not a good idea on that truck, IMO.
Too new and makes good power as is.
Too new and makes good power as is.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 5:09 pm to Chad504boy
Removing the factory headstuds and replacing them with stronger, aftermarket alternatives. Thus reducing the risk of the factory headstuds stretching and blowing a headgasket.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 5:10 pm to Chad504boy
Yeah, you have bolts from the factory. Studs are a bolt with no head. You screw it into the block, put the heads down on them, and tighten down a nut on the heads
Posted on 4/6/15 at 5:17 pm to VetteGuy
Definitely makes more power than I'll ever need. My only reason for even looking into it would be added mileage and increased longevity. A clogged EGR just sounds like a horrible idea in the long run.
On a side note one of the intercooler charge pipes on the 6.7 is made of plastic, apparently it's known to break down over time and spontaneously explode. A few companies make a metal replacement(~$300). Luckily mine happened as I was merging on i10 in front of Courtesy Ford. So common Courtesy kept the pieces in stock and the tech told me they replace several a week. There's never a sign of when it'll happen, it just does. I don't want next time to be in the middle of nowhere.
On a side note one of the intercooler charge pipes on the 6.7 is made of plastic, apparently it's known to break down over time and spontaneously explode. A few companies make a metal replacement(~$300). Luckily mine happened as I was merging on i10 in front of Courtesy Ford. So common Courtesy kept the pieces in stock and the tech told me they replace several a week. There's never a sign of when it'll happen, it just does. I don't want next time to be in the middle of nowhere.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 5:27 pm to YOURADHERE
There's a lot to this.
IMO deleting the emission stuff without adding any power is a good move for the cost of ownership if you're going to keep it a long time. Messing with it with any powertrain warranty remaining isn't smart. Fuel pump failures can run up to $8k if it tears up enough stuff.
Adding power isn't a good idea if your primary concern is longevity and cost of ownership. Tune it to run factory level manifold pressure (probably around 32psi @ full load?) and you'll be good. If you're going to add power there's a lot you need to do to ensure no major failures caused by aggressive fueling and high manifold pressures.
IMO deleting the emission stuff without adding any power is a good move for the cost of ownership if you're going to keep it a long time. Messing with it with any powertrain warranty remaining isn't smart. Fuel pump failures can run up to $8k if it tears up enough stuff.
Adding power isn't a good idea if your primary concern is longevity and cost of ownership. Tune it to run factory level manifold pressure (probably around 32psi @ full load?) and you'll be good. If you're going to add power there's a lot you need to do to ensure no major failures caused by aggressive fueling and high manifold pressures.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 5:30 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Longevity and Effeciency are the reasons why I want to do it. I'd keep in stock all the time except when towing maybe. Wouldn't donthis to drive like an arse
Posted on 4/6/15 at 5:38 pm to Chad504boy
I'm not overly familiar with how the tunes are set up, but tuning up while towing is probably going to put boost pressure pretty high which may or may not lead to early head gasket failure.
This is touchy to do right. People like to pull tons of power out of those motors because they're capable of doing it. It can push tons of fuel.
For longevity and efficiency you would want to tune down if anything. There's a reason heavy duty trucks come with more moderate power curves.
I'm sure there's plenty of information available on what you can safely do on factory hardware. I don't imagine it's too far above what you get from the factory though. Your key things are intake manifold pressure, intake temperature, and egt.
This is touchy to do right. People like to pull tons of power out of those motors because they're capable of doing it. It can push tons of fuel.
For longevity and efficiency you would want to tune down if anything. There's a reason heavy duty trucks come with more moderate power curves.
I'm sure there's plenty of information available on what you can safely do on factory hardware. I don't imagine it's too far above what you get from the factory though. Your key things are intake manifold pressure, intake temperature, and egt.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 5:56 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I've done it to my 06 Duramax and love it. The towing setting is great! Can't hardly tell you are towing anything.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 6:22 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Fa sho. There is no reason to be driving around with 600hp at the wheels
There is also no reason to be pulling a D5 70mph and attaining 62psi of boost on a basically stock engine
At max, I'd go +150hp. I was running around with +275hp and +315hp at the wheels. Stupidity
My fuel mileage did go from....I think around 12mpg to 24mpg on the highway, but that was offset by the $30k I spent on the perpetual engine problems :banghead:
There is also no reason to be pulling a D5 70mph and attaining 62psi of boost on a basically stock engine
At max, I'd go +150hp. I was running around with +275hp and +315hp at the wheels. Stupidity
My fuel mileage did go from....I think around 12mpg to 24mpg on the highway, but that was offset by the $30k I spent on the perpetual engine problems :banghead:
Posted on 4/6/15 at 7:53 pm to YOURADHERE
Might need to do that as a PM.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:02 pm to Chad504boy
Good custom tunes will eliminate almost all black smoke.
All you need for the 6.7 is a dpf delete pipe, sct or H&S tuner, custom tunes, egr delete or egr block. The stock bolts are more than adequate for stock fuel.
I got a quote for $1000 for everything. I'll be deleting mine soon and running a very mild tune. Keep in mind, the 11-14 turbos love to burn up with moderate to high boost. That's a $3000 bill for a 15 retrofit turbo.
All you need for the 6.7 is a dpf delete pipe, sct or H&S tuner, custom tunes, egr delete or egr block. The stock bolts are more than adequate for stock fuel.
I got a quote for $1000 for everything. I'll be deleting mine soon and running a very mild tune. Keep in mind, the 11-14 turbos love to burn up with moderate to high boost. That's a $3000 bill for a 15 retrofit turbo.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:12 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
I kicked this idea around till I saw how much it would cost to start replacing parts or engine.
Dodge with the 5.9. Only have a little over 100K, but it still runs like a clock and only problem I ever had was a water pump. 22mpg if I doing 45 or 85.
Dodge with the 5.9. Only have a little over 100K, but it still runs like a clock and only problem I ever had was a water pump. 22mpg if I doing 45 or 85.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:16 pm to Ice Cream Sammich
Where'd you get a quote from? I haven't given this any serious consideration since I bought the truck new in 2012. Back then I remember it being ~$2500 or so. If, and that's a big if, I ever do it my route would likely be an intake, exhaust(though probably not necessary), EGR delete(or blockoff plate, not sure it matters), and very mild tunes. It's an 8000lb 4x4 brick of a truck, I don't need it to go faster, I certainly don't need it to accelerate any harder while towing a trailer. I just want better mileage, and piece of mind to know it'll last 10 years. Modern diesels scare the shite out of me.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:18 pm to fishfighter
That's my only fear. Do I really want to start messing and spending money on a truck with 60k on the motor? If I bought new, I would delete immediately, but I didn't.
Half of me says go for it, other half says wait and hope they make a King cab in 2017 for purchase.
Half of me says go for it, other half says wait and hope they make a King cab in 2017 for purchase.
Posted on 4/6/15 at 8:29 pm to fishfighter
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Dodge
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22mpg
Words can not express my jealousy. When I bought my Ford I almost went look at the Dodge lot, mainly because I really wanted a manual tranny but ended up just sticking with the Ford. 3 years later I still want a manual tranny and I'm constantly impressed by my dad's 6.7 Cummins getting 20+ mpg where I'd get 13.
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