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re: Alonzo mourning says Jordan would average 50 today.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 5:38 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 3/31/15 at 5:38 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
18 players have >70% chance of making the HOF.
And of those, over half are veterans not young players that came in the league since 2010. That was the point I was making. I am not saying the league is full of shite players just comparing today's players with the 80s.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 5:40 pm
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 5:42 pm to offshoretrash
Posted on 3/31/15 at 6:16 pm to offshoretrash
quote:Did you miss the part about a 400 game minimum (~ 5, full 82 game seasons)? With the lockout the earliest a player that hasn't missed a game could appear on the list is one who started in 2009-2010. And since they don't seem to include players that just crossed that threshold this season (Curry; Harden), it would be 2008-2009.
And of those, over half are veterans not young players that came in the league since 2010.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 8:22 pm to offshoretrash
So there aren't any greats playing now because it only counts if they entered after 2010??
So the veterans who have built up HOF careers don't count and the young players that haven't entered their primes yet are the ones you are basing your theory off of?
Makes sense
So the veterans who have built up HOF careers don't count and the young players that haven't entered their primes yet are the ones you are basing your theory off of?
Makes sense
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:23 pm to Dr. Shultz
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So there aren't any greats playing now because it only counts if they entered after 2010??
No dumb arse that is not what I am saying. I am talking about the superstar players that are young players not Vince Carter that has been playing for 30yrs.
You guys win. Joakim Noah is a superstar, future HOF. He would have scored 50 a game in the 80s against all those soft offensive teams. Carry on with your stupidity.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 9:39 pm to Dr. Shultz
I wanted to start my own thread about this, and still might one day. But it fits in this thread.
I watched an ole Bulls vs Pistons game. I realize people on the other side of this argument will roll their eyes at this, and probably not even believe me even though some of them watched this game live.
BUT, Jordan didn't do shite. Ok of course he did things, but it was honest to god the most ridiculous basketball I've ever seen in my life. I swear on everything I love that the Bulls would take the ball down the court, all stand 30 feet from the basket, and dish it to MJ. THERE WAS LITERALLY NOBODY TO HELP GUARD HIM. Nearly 10 times in a row he had the ball 15 feet from the basket with a fricking midget being the ONLY thing to keep him from scoring. 2 times a defender ran over to TRY to double him and they called illegal defense.
I know Jordan is the best ever. But frick me, that's how they played back then?! Lebron.....dear god, Lebron would have MURDERED in this style of basketball.
I watched an ole Bulls vs Pistons game. I realize people on the other side of this argument will roll their eyes at this, and probably not even believe me even though some of them watched this game live.
BUT, Jordan didn't do shite. Ok of course he did things, but it was honest to god the most ridiculous basketball I've ever seen in my life. I swear on everything I love that the Bulls would take the ball down the court, all stand 30 feet from the basket, and dish it to MJ. THERE WAS LITERALLY NOBODY TO HELP GUARD HIM. Nearly 10 times in a row he had the ball 15 feet from the basket with a fricking midget being the ONLY thing to keep him from scoring. 2 times a defender ran over to TRY to double him and they called illegal defense.
I know Jordan is the best ever. But frick me, that's how they played back then?! Lebron.....dear god, Lebron would have MURDERED in this style of basketball.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 10:06 pm to offshoretrash
quote:You're missing the point. If you look at any season, and look at the top 20-25 performing players, you will find some good/very good but not great players. A very good player hitting his absolute peak, will be a top 20 player for a season may be two, then regress back toward the mean. Sustaining it is also a hallmark of a great player.
You guys win. Joakim Noah is a superstar, future HOF. He would have scored 50 a game in the 80s against all those soft offensive teams. Carry on with your stupidity.
Now your so keen on bashing Noah but look at his stats last year. He averaged 12.6 pts, 11.3 rebounds, 5.4, and 1.2 steals, and 1.5 blocks and was the defensive player of the year (6.6 defensive win shares). Those are very impressive stats in any era (5.4 assists really stands out). For comparison purposes, his 11.2 win shares is more than Robert Parish ever had (10.9) in a season. So after that type of career as year, it's pretty reasonable he was rated highly.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 10:16 pm to offshoretrash
Posted on 3/31/15 at 10:16 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Nearly 10 times in a row he had the ball 15 feet from the basket with a fricking midget being the ONLY thing to keep him from scoring
Did this "midget" have a name?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 10:19 pm to offshoretrash
quote:sooooooooo Russell westbrook? kevin Durant? james harden? Anthony davis? kyrie irving? john wall? klay Thompson? Damarcus cousins? Deandre Jordan?
I am talking about the superstar players that are young players not Vince Carter that has been playing for 30yrs.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 10:21 pm to brgfather129
Trying to find it. They were playing the Knicks btw, my bad.
ETA: Whoever was guarding him for the Knicks in 1999.
ETA: Whoever was guarding him for the Knicks in 1999.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 10:46 pm to Dr. Shultz
D Wade is the number 3 SG of all time? Come on...
Pump the breaks on KD, but he is def one of the best shooters ever.
Pump the breaks on KD, but he is def one of the best shooters ever.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 11:07 pm to Solo
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D Wade is the number 3 SG of all time? Come on...
Who's better? His career stats are almost identical to Kobe's (24/6/5 vs 25/5/5). Has 3 rings.
He's top 5 for sure
quote:
Pump the breaks on KD, but he is def one of the best shooters ever.
It's obviously early in his career but if he returns full strength from the injury and keeps going how he has been for 5 more years he will be way up there
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 4/1/15 at 7:15 am to Dr. Shultz
West, Havelcek, Gervin, AI, the Big O (I think he's a PG, but he's probably a combo guy)
D Wade had a great run from 2005-2011
D Wade had a great run from 2005-2011
Posted on 4/1/15 at 7:54 am to ReauxlTide222
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ETA: Whoever was guarding him for the Knicks in 1999.
No one was guarding Jordan in 1999.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 11:10 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
BUT, Jordan didn't do shite. Ok of course he did things, but it was honest to god the most ridiculous basketball I've ever seen in my life. I swear on everything I love that the Bulls would take the ball down the court, all stand 30 feet from the basket, and dish it to MJ. THERE WAS LITERALLY NOBODY TO HELP GUARD HIM. Nearly 10 times in a row he had the ball 15 feet from the basket with a fricking midget being the ONLY thing to keep him from scoring. 2 times a defender ran over to TRY to double him and they called illegal defense.
thanks Colangelo, Nash, and D'Antoni for delivering us to the modern era
Posted on 4/1/15 at 3:38 pm to brgfather129
You're obviously setting up for some joke or point that blasts me or something. Go ahead, get it out of the way.
It was a Knicks team with Ewing. Figure the shite out yourself.
It was a Knicks team with Ewing. Figure the shite out yourself.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 3:51 pm to ReauxlTide222
I'm not "setting you up"...Jordan wasn't in the league in 99.
Just so I have this straight...you were watching some old NBA game, had an epiphany, yet:
-You don't know year it was
-Didn't have the right team
-Don't know who was guarding Jordan
Thx for the info.
No.
Just so I have this straight...you were watching some old NBA game, had an epiphany, yet:
-You don't know year it was
-Didn't have the right team
-Don't know who was guarding Jordan
Thx for the info.
quote:
Figure the shite out yourself.
No.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 3:57 pm to brgfather129
Nice, still completely avoiding the point of my post in order to make it and me look stupid. How cunning, what a clever guy you are!
It was the Knicks, I told you that after 1 post. "Info" on my TV said 1999. You told me he wasn't playing then, thanks, I was wrong. You can still figure out who was guarding him if it matters to you.
It was the Knicks, I told you that after 1 post. "Info" on my TV said 1999. You told me he wasn't playing then, thanks, I was wrong. You can still figure out who was guarding him if it matters to you.
Posted on 4/1/15 at 4:38 pm to ReauxlTide222
Learn more about the NBA, then post. TIA.
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