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re: Neymar has no one to blame but himself
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:38 am to RandySavage
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:38 am to RandySavage
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Not getting calls because everyone knows you're a diving, cheating, p***y pos, is reaping what you sow.
That's basically what I'm saying. Obviously, diving is a 'part of the sport', but there are many players who do it, but don't do it as much as Neymar has over the years. The guy has a reputation for it. I'm not saying that he deserves to be stamped on, but if he's going to dive as much as he does, he shouldn't be surprised when it happens.
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:38 am to crazy4lsu
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If the referee can't protect him in clear instances where he is being targeted, then what incentive does he have not to dive at the first opportunity
Like he's ever needed any incentive.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:39 am to crazy4lsu
is there an easy way to find gifs because I want to compare Neymars reaction to anybody else that was stomped on, hes a little bitch and Im fine with players trying to draw a foul but when you do it by flailing around like a fig I lose all respect.
Its also a bitch move to stomp on somebody but Neymars reaction is pathetic, be a man and retaliate like Matic did
Its also a bitch move to stomp on somebody but Neymars reaction is pathetic, be a man and retaliate like Matic did
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:40 am to MLSter
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be a man and retaliate like Matic did
Yup, or Can or Skrtel, hell even Spaniard GK De Gea...
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 10:42 am
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:42 am to RandySavage
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Like he's ever needed any incentive.
Regardless, my point is that diving isn't going to be stopped by not calling absolutely clear instances of when a player is being targeted. In that sense, Neymar's reputation might precede itself, but in this game, it was absolutely clear from very early in the game what Chile were doing. Events like this certainly gives Neymar incentive to continue diving, because how else will Neymar be protected? For his own survival, he will continue. It's a self-perpetuating cycle, I admit, but until both the perpetrators of dirty plays (like Medal) and divers (Neymar) are consistently punished, then diving will continue.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:47 am to crazy4lsu
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Regardless, my point is that diving isn't going to be stopped by not calling absolutely clear instances of when a player is being targeted. In that sense, Neymar's reputation might precede itself, but in this game, it was absolutely clear from very early in the game what Chile were doing.
I have no problem in any sport with a certain team targeting the opposing team's best player. The issue here is that he thinks diving is going to help him out, when you're a 23-year-old professional the last thing someone wants to see when you get fouled hard is you rolling around on the ground like a 10-year-old after busting a toe. Get up after the foul and act like it isn't effecting you or, get in the face of the guy who fouled you. Stand up for yourself during the game, not when you're talking to the media afterwards.
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 10:48 am
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:53 am to McCaigBro69
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I have no problem in any sport with a certain team targeting the opposing team's best player.
No one does. But there is a clear difference between tactical fouling to prevent dribbles and what Chile was doing to Neymar.
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The issue here is that he thinks diving is going to help him out
And diving and embellishing has helped him out. If referees can't protect, then what incentive does he have to stop?
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Get up after the foul and act like it isn't effecting you
Does that earn the opposition CB a yellow? If a team can target a player, then that player has a right to earn his marker a yellow or red card. It's the precarious position of tactical fouling. It's as much a knife-edge as holding a high line with slow CB's.
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get in the face of the guy who fouled you.
Would probably result in Neymar getting a yellow. Why would anyone in any sport act against their own self-interest?
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Stand up for yourself during the game
And that will somehow lessen the tactical fouling? It won't because the strategy is that you want to prevent Neymar (and others like him) from affecting the game with the ball at their feet.
Some of you seem to want Neymar and other technical players to act against their self-interest. Given human nature, that's not going to happen.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:02 am to crazy4lsu
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Some of you seem to want Neymar and other technical players to act against their self-interest. Given human nature, that's not going to happen.
Well I'll continue to use the title of "bitch" whenever I speak of him. Hey, this is just my opinion, I'm on a message board bitching about it, he's out there making millions so he's obviously doing something right lol.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 11:05 am to McCaigBro69
As a fan, you have every right to hate him. I don't like divers in the same way I dislike dirty players. Contextualized within the psychological sphere of the game, I completely get it. It's all about besting your opponent, using any means necessary. It's up to the referee to judge the game fairly according to the rules, which might be too big a task given the speed at which these things happen. I'm all in favor of a video referee that gives retroactive bans.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 12:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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If referees can't protect, then what incentive does he have to stop?
If referees are going to continue to book players for nothing challenges where a player dives and rolls around like Neymar is so good at then what incentive do they have to not get the most out of their challenges?
Posted on 3/30/15 at 12:32 pm to McCaigBro69
I'd hack the shite out of the diving cheat. You are going to get booked one way or the other every time Neymar goes down. Why not make it hurt while you can? Players hate cheats. I remember once upon a time Ronaldo got scythed quite frequently for his diving antics while at Man Utd. He doesn't get hacked hardly as much as he used to because he stopped flopping. Stop flopping and players will often play you clean as possible.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 12:43 pm to EastNastySwag
Fouling the shite and hacking is one thing
stamping is on a whole different level
stamping is on a whole different level
Posted on 3/30/15 at 12:49 pm to RandySavage
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If referees are going to continue to book players for nothing challenges where a player dives and rolls around like Neymar is so good at then what incentive do they have to not get the most out of their challenges?
I'll concede this is a fair point, but the game has generally moved away from favoring physical play to technical play. Refs are more likely to call little fouls with minimal contact than ever before, while at the same time they seem to favor physical play from attackers more. It's not a perfect trade-off, but it's the game as it is.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 12:50 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Fouling the shite and hacking is one thing
stamping is on a whole different level
Exactly. The former is usually associated with a particular containment strategy. The latter is inexcusable, no matter who is involved.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:07 pm to crazy4lsu
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Fouling the shite and hacking is one thing
stamping is on a whole different level
I agree.
However, I'd equate it to the difference between going down "easily" on contact to ensure a foul is called and an outright dive or rolling around as if in excruciating pain with the intent of getting another player booked or sent off.
One is somewhat excusable and the other is not.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:40 pm to RandySavage
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:45 pm to bbap
So much lulz in that gif. I love how he uses his crushed leg to propel himself off the ground to amplify his theatrics.
He deserves worse than what he got.
He deserves worse than what he got.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 1:49 pm to RandySavage
I'm sure it wasnt pleasant but a normal person's reaction would have been:
OOWW frick man what the frick is wrong with you. I just cant feel sorry for someone who acts like their leg got blown off and seems to be so distraught you would have thought he watched his mother just die.
OOWW frick man what the frick is wrong with you. I just cant feel sorry for someone who acts like their leg got blown off and seems to be so distraught you would have thought he watched his mother just die.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:41 pm to crazy4lsu
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If referees can't protect, then what incentive does he have to stop?
This is my issue. I never tell me players to simulate, but 10 times out of 10 i'm telling them to embellish, especially in the box. Until a foul in the center circle and a foul in the penalty box are called the same way, that's how it is. Because of the way fouls are called differently on the field the offensive players have a steeper hill to climb to get a call they rightly deserve.
Long story short, inconsistent refereeing has created this. It won't stop until that is fixed.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 4:57 pm to BleedPurpleGold
I could just as easily argue that flopping, embellishing, diving etc... has led to the inconsistent refereeing.
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