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Tom Brady has the best record in NFL history when his defense allows 21+ points

Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:52 pm
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33943 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:52 pm
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Back in November, Cian Fahey tweeted me a simple question: “What is Alex Smith’s record in games where his D gives up 21 or more points?”

I made a note to run the numbers in the off-season, and guess what? It’s the off-season. Smith now holds a career record of 7-38-1 (including a 1-1 mark in the postseason) when his team allows 21 or more points. That’s really bad, as it turns out. In fact, among quarterbacks who started such a game last year, only Ryan Fitzpatrick (5-43-0) has a worse career record.

How am I defining a “good” or “bad” record? Well, that’s somewhat subjective. But you might be surprised to learn that over history, teams have won about 25% of their games when allowing 21+ points, and there hasn’t been quite as much variation as you would expect. So while it would probably help a little to adjust for era, it’s not as necessary as I would have originally thought.


The best quarterback by this metric? Tom Brady. Brady has played in 106 games (including playoffs) where the Patriots allowed at least 21 points. In those games, Brady is 60-46, for a 0.566 winning percentage. Given that we would “expect” Brady to win 25% of those 106 games — that is, 26.5 games — Brady has exceeded expectations by 33.5 wins. All the usual caveats apply: wins should not be applied to the quarterback, there are lots of reasons not to read too much into the data, etc. But sometimes, it’s just good to do a data dump, even if you only find the information useful for trivia purposes.

Wins over expectation

1. Tom Brady 33.5
2. Peyton Manning 28
3. Brett Favre 16.75
4. Joe Montana 16
5t. John Elway 14.5
5t. Norm Van Brocklin 14.5
7. Randall Cunningham 13.5
8t. Aaron Rodgers 11.75
8t. Drew Brees 11.75
10. Johnny Unitas 11.25


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Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
123626 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:58 pm to
Ok
Posted by MikeyFL
Las Vegas, NV
Member since Sep 2010
9596 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 6:58 pm to
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Smith now holds a career record of 7-38-1 (including a 1-1 mark in the postseason) when his team allows 21 or more points.


Not surprising, considering the terrible offensive lines he had for most of his career.
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13610 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:05 pm to
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Not surprising, considering the terrible offensive lines he had for most of his career
alex smith is so pedestrian
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112331 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:10 pm to
Boom

Thanks for the ammo
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 7:11 pm
Posted by OleRockyTop
Member since Jan 2015
1627 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:12 pm to
Cool
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
52796 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:13 pm to
GOAT Pats QB
Posted by MikeyFL
Las Vegas, NV
Member since Sep 2010
9596 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:20 pm to
Sorry. This stat is all about the heroics of a single individual. The presence of a viable running game, pass protection, decent wide receivers, and a head coach not named Mike Singletary make absolutely no difference.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112331 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:27 pm to
Probably has something to do with Smiths complete inability to throw a pass beyond 15 yards
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
13948 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:39 pm to
Brady scary.
This post was edited on 3/27/15 at 7:55 pm
Posted by MikeyFL
Las Vegas, NV
Member since Sep 2010
9596 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:46 pm to
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Smith now holds a career record of 7-38-1 (including a 1-1 mark in the postseason) when his team allows 21 or more points.


What era of football have you been watching? Brady and Manning have been specializing in routes 15yards or less for years.

For some reason, you think I'm saying Smith is a great quarterback. I'm simply pointing out that a stat like this is both arbitrary (why 21 points?) and devoid of context (want to look up Brady's stats at Michigan?).
Posted by MikeyFL
Las Vegas, NV
Member since Sep 2010
9596 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:51 pm to
Did I mention Smith or the 49ers in that post you are referencing? No? Hmmm.... I wonder why....
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
13948 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:55 pm to
Misread, whoops
Posted by sowega dawg
Member since May 2011
3935 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 7:57 pm to
No surprise there considering he is tGoat
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112331 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 8:42 pm to
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What era of football have you been watching? Brady and Manning have been specializing in routes 15yards or less for years.


True. But they haven't gone a whole season without throwing a TD to a WR
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110880 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:07 pm to
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Not surprising, considering the terrible offensive lines he had for most of his career.

It's not surprising because Smith is a very mediocre QB.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71421 posts
Posted on 3/27/15 at 9:08 pm to
Ha.
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